With murder it's not really shame you should feel but sadness and regret about what you did to someone else. Those feelings target the victims directly, not society as a whole which has very little to do with this.

Of course if someone commits premeditated murder, they are well beyond shame being an influence on their behavior anyway. There are much more forceful consequences like a prison sentence that they also ignored.

And if I want to know if I or my neighbor should be shamed for something, I just consult you, the oracle of shame?

I cant help but feel the golden rule gets you most of the way there, treat others as youd want to be treated. Of course tgere will still be gray areas on the edges, but debating whether you should beat someone for being gay shouldnt be an ethical conundrum.

Sure, feel free.

> If you are gay, then you should not feel shame. Shame can work both ways.

Anything can go both ways.

In the past you can go to jail for being gay (and still in some parts of the world).

Yes, but I'd argue that is likely the bad shame that is unproductive and unnecessary.

LOL and who exactly do you think are the fair, wise, omnipotent arbiters of "good shame"?

Religion? CNN? Fox News? The average person?

I’m pretty sure murder and rape are universally shame worthy acts.