Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs

Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by User23 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @08:36PM (#36965347)

Bodily autonomy isn’t a moral principle, it’s a rhetorical device. Literally every law on the books interferes with your autonomy. Trying to apply it as the former is as nonsensical as arguing when someone says “nobody goes there anymore” when some people in fact still do.

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by lo_zamoyski on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @08:54PM (#36965503)

Well, it is a rhetorical device when it comes to abortion, given that the body of the unborn isn't the woman's body to begin with. Bodily autonomy is elevated to such an extreme, that even moral duties like carrying to term or breastfeeding without sufficiently grave cause are casually shirked. It is a supreme expression of irrationality, of irrational self-indulgence, of placing one's will above one's intellect, of placing desire above truth (which is itself incoherent and insane). Sex addiction can produce this kind of thinking. Nothing turns off a hedonistic sex maniac more than the idea that he or she will have kids to take care of. They're an impediment to a licentious, self-absorbed lifestyle. And there are plenty of people around who are obsessed with sex, and not just obsessed, but in a very disordered way.

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by sangnoir on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:01PM (#36965578)

> Nothing turns off a hedonistic sex maniac more than the idea that he or she will have kids to take care of. They're an impediment to a licentious, self-absorbed lifestyle.

This sounds a lot like the type of person you don't want raising a child

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by isityouyesitsme on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:20PM (#36965726)

Perhaps not.

I also don't want some cops to be the ones on patrol, out of fear that they might act on strong biases. But I also wouldn't excuse them for pulling someone over and immediately opening fire with intent to kill in order to bypass the problem.

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by netsharc on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:07PM (#36965635)

Well, I'm sure this is a fruitless argument, but here are some pictures of what a pregnancy looks like before 10 weeks: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-week...

Anything there look like a body?

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by User23 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:43PM (#36965909)

That's not a body, that's dismembered tissue. If you put an adult through a woodchipper the results won't look like a body either. I assume you know that, so why be intellectually dishonest?

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by zdragnar on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:45PM (#36965934)

It's easy to hide the bits that look like a body when you stack it up with the gestational sac on a background with poor contrast.

There are other resources that show just the fetus (8+weeks, before that it really is just an embryo) with much better detail.

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by netsharc on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:24PM (#36974840)

And do these resources depict the reality, or are they maybe renderings?

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by zdragnar on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:53PM (#36979945)

https://www.ehd.org/movies.php?mov_id=46

There's live images and video for a wide range of timespan. I linked to one at 8 weeks since the source article I responded to was limited to < 10 weeks.

The field of view of the camera is quite small, but there's also an MRI image at 9 weeks: https://www.ehd.org/gallery/407/9-Week-Fetus-MRI-Animation

The most notable difference, aside from the details visible close up, is the fact that there is no red whatsoever in the images in the guardian article. The samples were very carefully cleaned to avoid looking organic at all, and promote the author's argument that so early in the pregnancy it is "just tissue".

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by vacuity on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @10:03PM (#36966060)

I think people should either strictly allow or deny induced abortion, recognizing it as a conflict between the pregnant woman's bodily autonomy (since pregancy is sort of invasive and has a slew of complications) and the zygote/embryo/fetus' ("fetus") personhood. One takes precedent over the other. I don't fault people for believing the fetus takes precedence. It's the people who pay lip service but have ulterior motives (oppressing women) that are an issue. Ultimately they have no basis to stop others from getting abortions, so as long as that's enforced I think that's a decent society.

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by floxy on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @11:33PM (#36966661)

And here are some other photos of a fetus at 10 weeks:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=10+week+fetus&iax=images&ia=images

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by netsharc on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:22PM (#36974796)

Most of the images there look like computer-generated 3d renders...

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Re:Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @10:41PM (#36966339)

> hedonistic sex maniac

Where do I find these hedonistic sex maniacs?

The kids today aren't having even half the sex previous generation did. You live in a parallel universe

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