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Re:The freedom to drink coffee by derleth on Monday March 12, 2012 @06:39PM (#3696030)
> It is entirely possible that a government be composed in a non-hierarchical way.

A government can only exist when it has a monopoly on the legitimate use of force in most situations. How can that, where only one group can use violence without being punished for it, possibly fail to impose a hierarchy?

Re:The freedom to drink coffee by cmhamill on Monday March 12, 2012 @07:33PM (#3696221)
Well what if we say that government is the means by which a people organize their business and a state is that entity which maintains a monopoly on the legitimate use of force?

We can have a government because we can set expectations and behavior. Only when we have police and a state apparatus do we then become a society whose mode of governance is via the state.

Re:The freedom to drink coffee by derleth on Monday March 12, 2012 @11:24PM (#3696860)
> Well what if we say that government is the means by which a people organize their business and a state is that entity which maintains a monopoly on the legitimate use of force?

I'd say that 'government' would be nothing more than a debating society, like the League of Nations, and just about as useful in preventing, say, homicide as the League of Nations was at preventing WWII.