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Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by jacquesm on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:07AM (#36952544)
Same molecular structure entirely different crystal lattice.

It is the formation that is different not the molecules. C = C. They are technically allotropes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropy

And just like here that's a function of how the bulk carbon got to be formed, under extreme pressure and temperatures or less pressure and temperature. It's the recipe that makes the difference, not the ingredients.

Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by dcow on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:10AM (#36952561)
As far as I understand, we're saying the same thing.

    isomer
    /'aɪsəmər/
    noun
    a compound that exists in forms having different arrangements of atoms but the same molecular weight
I'm using isomer to refer to possible different arrangements of "the LK99 compound". I see you're saying allotropes refers to diamond vs carbon (allotrope referring a single element vs isomer referring to compound).

That raises a question, what's the name for different crystalline structures of the same compound? Is that still an isomer or something different? I'm out of my element here.

Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by jacquesm on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:14AM (#36952594)
An isomer can have different valences but still have the same overall chemical formula.

So just for an example (I have no idea how to put a tetrahedron in a comment :) ) a chain of C-C-C-C and C-C=C-C (which you likely can not synthesize) would be an isomer but C-C-C-C in one crystal lattice versus C-C-C-C in another crystal lattice would be allotropes.

The carbon in graphite sits in sheets (hence the possibility to form graphene), whereas the carbon in a diamond always forms three dimensional lattices.

edit nah: bad example, sorry, I can't find a good way to visualize this in text the 2nd C-C-C-C chain should have the last C dangling from the 2nd down.

edit2: examples are wrong, I should have used a more complex molecule for the isomer and the carbon can have either three or four other carbons hanging of it for the allotrope. tricky...

Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by dcow on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:19AM (#36952624)
Just double checking, the definitions I'm finding for allotrope are specific to a single element.

    allotrope
    /'ælə,troʊp/
    noun
    a structurally different form of an element
I'm having trouble finding allotrope used to refer to different forms of a compound.

https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-allotro...

Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by jacquesm on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:32AM (#36952698)
Yes, you're right, I should have used a more complex example for an isomer.
Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by cyberax on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:25AM (#36952666)
Isomers are structurally different. Allotropes refer to variations of the same element.

You're looking at the word "polymorph": "(chemistry, geology) Any substance or mineral that forms different types of crystal."

Re:Origin of correlated isolated flat bands in LK99 by dcow on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:28AM (#36952674)
Thank you.