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Re:First new US nuclear reactor in decades enters commercial... by XorNot on Monday July 31, 2023 @06:12PM (#36949595)
This is such an incredible misrepresentation. The only thing nuclear can't do is respond to sudden demand surges. But that's what batteries can do (it's also the only thing they can do well).

This[1] is the Australian energy market operator dashboard. Note the demand curve. It is not sudden in anyway - it is highly, highly predictable. Nuclear reactors can handle that sort of curve just fine - you roll the control rods in when it's low, pull them out when it's high.

The "inability" of nuclear reactors to handle variable loads is to do with the thermal mass of the reactor pile which can't be changed rapidly, but electrical load generally doesn't change rapidly - it changes very, very predictably at large scale.

Nuclear reactors can handle normal electrical demand flows just fine.

[1] https://aemo.com.au/en/energy-systems/electricity/national-e...

Re:First new US nuclear reactor in decades enters commercial... by pfdietz on Monday July 31, 2023 @06:19PM (#36949660)
Your counterargument there betrays a complete misunderstanding of the point I was making.

I wasn't claiming that nuclear power plants couldn't technically ramp up and down. I will happily stipulate that they could. I was arguing it was economically ludicrous to do so. That's because most of the costs of nuclear are fixed: capital cost, financing costs, fixed manpower costs. If you operate the power plant at low capacity factor, the cost per unit of energy produced increases inversely, just because these fixed costs are being spread over less output.

Nuclear either makes sense for baseload or it doesn't make sense at all. Trying to retreat to an application for which it isn't suited, like covering for intermittent renewables, is a losing game. There are any number of alternatives that would be much cheaper.

Re:First new US nuclear reactor in decades enters commercial... by XorNot on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:17PM (#36951896)
Take a real close look at the scale on that dashboard. While peak power is about 9Gw, sometimes up to 12GW, the lowest power output overnight is 6GW and that's the absolute bottom.

So in a standard 24 hour day, there is at minimum 6GW of capacity which is always available and always demanded. And for most of year that's 2/3rds of the total demand which ever applies.

The question you are not answering is whether the cost of building a proportionally larger nuclear plant - i.e. one which can meet the upper ends of this scale - is substantially more expensive then a smaller one.

The answer is pretty obviously no: nuclear plants are front-loaded in capital and construction costs, but their relative size has very little impact on the cost of building them, or their maintenance needs, or even fueling costs.

The reality is renewables haven't got anything on that except from an electricity market which mostly doesn't care about them. Start asking renewable generators to well you guaranteed kilowatt-hours throughout the year and watch the "cheap" power skyrocket in cost.

Re:First new US nuclear reactor in decades enters commercial... by pfdietz on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:34PM (#36951978)
If your argument there was correct, people would be building ginormous nuclear plants and not focusing on SMRs.

But many components of a nuclear plant have size that scales with power. There are some economies of scale, but they're fairly marginal. It's mostly to amortize fixed operating costs (like personnel) over more output.

Re:First new US nuclear reactor in decades enters commercial... by blibble on Monday July 31, 2023 @06:37PM (#36949816)
you can nuclear in load following mode (France does)

but it hurts the economic efficiency massively, as costs for nuclear are almost entirely fixed at construction time