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Re:Marijuana Addiction Is Real. Those Struggling Often Face ... by haswell on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:38PM (#36947696)
I agree with most of what you're saying here about this being a comparison problem.

The one area of major disagreement is regarding the "cannabis" designation. For me, this term is associated with the opposite connotation. When I started taking its effects more seriously, I started using the cannabis word because I feel it lends more respect to the plant. This wasn't originally my idea, and so I'm not alone in this.

This respect was part of my own mindset shift on usage away from habitual use. A way to remind myself to take it seriously, and to partake intentionally if/when I do.

Most people I know are pretty aware of their "problem" but have no intention of changing it. Calling it one thing over another might be a form of self deception for a few, but self deception will always find some answer.

> It won't kill you like alcohol withdrawals will or make you agitated like nicotine will. So then it must be okay right? These same potheads will quote studies and news articles talking about the benefits or just how risk free it is.

I do think we have major issues with how we paint these different groups. When someone is an alcoholic, they gain sympathy and support from society proportional to their maladaptive behaviors and/or willingness to address the issue.

"Potheads" is almost always derogatory, and I don't think people who struggle with this are seen in the same light as people who struggle with other drugs of abuse, and it's not surprising considering the pretty clear misconceptions the public has about cannabis as a whole.

And I think this is important to note, because one of the #1 emotional factors that leads to continued maladaptive substance use is shame. Society has progressed quite a bit towards supporting and celebrating people who struggle with drugs/alcohol. I don't think society has done the same with cannabis. Attitudes are closer to "they're just lazy, it's not even addictive so what's their problem?".

Re:Marijuana Addiction Is Real. Those Struggling Often Face ... by pstuart on Monday July 31, 2023 @05:43PM (#36949274)
This is how "drug education" has failed us.

The status quo is "drugs are bad, m'kay?" and "drinking is fine, everybody does it, just don't drive when drunk".

The way forward should be understanding the following:

  * Let's use the word "drug" for any compound that alters your state of mind.
  * Everybody is different in how they respond to a drug
  * Most drugs are dangerous when consumed to excess
  * Most drugs can impair your thinking and should not be used in unsafe conditions
  * Some drugs can be dangerous due to adulterants (e.g., fentanyl)
  * One should be mindful in how they consume drugs (not under peer pressure, not appropriate time/place, etc)
  * If you are going to use a drug, treat it as dessert rather than a meal

  * Addiction is possible/likely when one consumes a drug frequently in a short amount of time, or by consistent use of it
  * Addiction can be overcome but it requires serious effort and can be *very* discomforting
  * The first high is often the "best", and trying to capture that again can lead to addiction
  * If you think you have a problem with drugs, you probably do, and should seek help in addressing your problem
  * If you are an addict and you break your addiction you cannot return even once to using again
I'm sure there's room for improvement there, but it's a start.
Re:Marijuana Addiction Is Real. Those Struggling Often Face ... by maxbond on Monday July 31, 2023 @05:49PM (#36949340)
I think this is a great list. I would point this out.

> * Let's use the word "drug" for any compound that alters your state of mind.

> * If you are going to use a drug, treat it as dessert rather than a meal

Consider that your definition rightly includes things like antidepressants, but people for whom antidepressants are working should take them regularly (which I assume is the distinction you're drawing with dessert versus meal).

Re:Marijuana Addiction Is Real. Those Struggling Often Face ... by pstuart on Monday July 31, 2023 @06:52PM (#36949946)
Thanks for the input! Yes, that definition should be for the context of "recreational" use.
Re:Marijuana Addiction Is Real. Those Struggling Often Face ... by haswell on Monday July 31, 2023 @06:47PM (#36949904)
The cultural roots of drinking are deep, and while I agree that alcohol enjoys a seemingly protected status, I don't know that blanket labeling everything "drugs" is a step forward.

I think this kind of abstraction is what gets people into risky situations. I'd rather we raised awareness across the board about the benefits and repercussions of the popular substances of choice. Some general rules of thumb are good, but less compelling than direct information about the ways things can go wrong, and ultimately not useful in the moment of choosing "do I partake?".

I think most people understand that some drugs are dangerous and some are not. But the drug conversation has been so dishonest for so long, that people struggle to assess what is real/true, or what to take seriously. I don't think people will take seriously anything that collapses mind altering substances under that single umbrella.

I think there are strong arguments to be made that psychedelics - especially psilocybin - deserve to remain in a category of their own. To associate them with "drugs" broadly seems counterproductive at a time when we're finally seeing research dollars pour into the field, and the effects of these compounds doesn't seem comparable with other recreational drugs. And no one gets addicted to psilocybin, but there are some very real risks that users need to know about.

Re:Marijuana Addiction Is Real. Those Struggling Often Face ... by pstuart on Monday July 31, 2023 @07:01PM (#36950040)
I could have done better on the initial definition -- the key context is "recreational" use.

It's incredibly important that we collectively recognize that alcohol is a drug. More so, recent research shows that it has zero health benefits. We need to understand the extensive damage it does to society -- not to demonize or prohibit it, but to give context to when pearl clutching happens about other drugs.

Likewise, people should understand the history of the War on Drugs and be aware of the real reason they came about (spoiler: to oppress their users).

It is true that psychedelics can have incredible therapeutic value, but they can also be a lot of fun (I certainly consumed them in that context when I was much younger). Cannabis can be added to that list, as well as others.

So yes, let's be entirely honest about the subject (which I'm trying to do). We can't wish them away, so let's deal with it like rational adults and minimize the risks of harm.

Re:Marijuana Addiction Is Real. Those Struggling Often Face ... by Animats on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:19PM (#36951906)
> alcohol enjoys a seemingly protected status

Well, the US tried Prohibition. Drunkenness went down and crime went up.

Re:Marijuana Addiction Is Real. Those Struggling Often Face ... by haswell on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:32PM (#36961380)
I'm not arguing for prohibition. The point was more that despite its ills, society does not treat people who consume alcohol as harshly as society treats people who consume other substances that are arguably no worse, or possibly less harmful.

Not a value judgement, just an observation about current attitudes around mind altering substances.