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Re:SEC asked Coinbase to halt trading for everything except ... by audunw on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:23AM (#36939387)
Is that supposed to be sarcastic?

If you open that can of worms I think the question will very quickly be whether such an asset class should just be outright banned.

To me it’s still an open question if cryptocurrencies are inherently a (distributed) scam. At least the ones based on proof-of-work.

Both cash and securities are regulated in a way that ties them to the creation or storage of (real-world) value. Proof-of-work cryptocurrencies ties both the creation and trade of the asset with destruction of value (energy). Which inherently makes them toxic. Regulating cryptocurrencies to become non-toxic might make them de-facto illegal.

Re:SEC asked Coinbase to halt trading for everything except ... by rafaelero on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:28AM (#36939411)
> Both cash and securities are regulated in a way that ties them to the creation or storage of (real-world) value.

Did we go back to the gold standard during the writing of this comment? Last time I checked there wasn't any backing of fabricating new dollars except for the sheer trust in the US government.

Re:SEC asked Coinbase to halt trading for everything except ... by ffhhttt on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:45AM (#36939498)
The ability of the US government to tax any companies or individuals residing in the US seems pretty “real” (more-so than gold anyway..)
Re:SEC asked Coinbase to halt trading for everything except ... by sshine on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:03AM (#36939580)
Let’s keep it at “real” with the quotation marks. Gold tends to last longer than your average nation state.

This is not a problem when the promises of a nation state only need to last as long as the nation state itself.

Re:SEC asked Coinbase to halt trading for everything except ... by ffhhttt on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:05AM (#36939903)
> Gold tends to last longer than your average nation state.

I’m not sure how that’s useful. The capability to produce goods and services seems a whole lot more real to me in terms of value than gold (the value of which would collapse anyway if modern economy did).

In theory can have currencies directly backed by oil, wheat or copper if you don’t want fiat for some reason. Would still be more ”real” than gold.

> only need to last as long as the nation state itself.

1$ from the 50s is not worth much in the 80s and even less today. Seems like that should be a much bigger concern than the longevity of the state itself.

Re:SEC asked Coinbase to halt trading for everything except ... by sshine on Monday July 31, 2023 @05:21AM (#36940308)
> In theory can have currencies directly backed by oil, wheat or copper

That is to some degree what USD is ("Petrodollars"):

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petro...

Re:SEC asked Coinbase to halt trading for everything except ... by ffhhttt on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:05AM (#36953218)
You can’t redeem them for a fixed amount of oil so I would say this is quite different.
Re:SEC asked Coinbase to halt trading for everything except ... by CPLX on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:12AM (#36939620)
> there wasn't any backing of fabricating new dollars

Wow that’s compelling.

> except for the sheer trust in the US government

Oh, you mean “except for” the single most powerful entity on planet earth

Re:SEC asked Coinbase to halt trading for everything except ... by himinlomax on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:07AM (#36939913)
You need only to trust that the US government has 11 aircraft carriers and thousands of nukes.
Re:SEC asked Coinbase to halt trading for everything except ... by peyton on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:36AM (#36939451)
Trade creates value. A toxic asset is an asset with a frozen market. Ironically, banning crypto would make the asset class toxic.