>>You say your introducing points but each response is "what about the next issue down the line" i.e. moving the goalposts.

This is generally how conversations or debates go, when people don't immediately agree with you. Asking what about X? Moving the goalposts is quite different. If I said I will believe you if you if you gave an example of Y, then when you showed me Y, asked for Y+Z. In this conversation, I havent set any goals, just asked questions and made counterpoints.

In general think maybe you are misunderstanding me, I absolutely agree there is a best way to go about a given thing. I dont see how you can think what goverment should be doing isnt particularly relevant.

I personally think that many articles of the UN declaration of human rights are garbage, and would oppose my government implementing it in practice.

Again, government competence depends on what you want the government to do.

My fundamental point was people don't agree on what the government should do. It sounds like you have walked this back, so I dont think we have much left to talk about.

We aren't going to hash out an agreement of what governments Should do over HN.