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Re:How the Rich Reap Huge Tax Breaks From Private Nonprofits by AlbertCory on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:56PM (#36933219)
1) how do you know they're "qualified"? Which leads to...

2) the Civil Service has rigorous rules on fair, non-discriminatory hiring. Do these orgs?

3) I don't know how you could know "it's very likely the people in those roles could make multiples more at private organizations." For all we know, they're people who've never had a private sector job in their lives.

4) Why can't the SF civil service do these functions?

5) What incentive do these orgs have to actually solve the problem, when their very existence depends on it continuing?

Re:How the Rich Reap Huge Tax Breaks From Private Nonprofits by tacticalturtle on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:46PM (#36933887)
Couple points I thought of:

“how do you know they're "qualified"?”

Interviews? Resumes? References? Same as any job in the market today?

“I don't know how you could know "it's very likely the people in those roles could make multiples more at private organizations.”

They’re providing free legal services to the homeless. I’m assuming they’ve hired lawyers.

Looks like average total pay for a lawyer is 150k in SF?

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/san-francisco-attorney-sa...

“ What incentive do these orgs have to actually solve the problem, when their very existence depends on it continuing?”

You could ask this of any charity. What incentive does St. Jude have to cure childhood cancer? At some level, you just have to trust that the people involved in these organizations have altruistic motivations as a guiding principle. If you don’t trust them, you don’t have to give them your money.

Re:How the Rich Reap Huge Tax Breaks From Private Nonprofits by AlbertCory on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:02PM (#36934092)
I've done my research here. Now it's your turn. These people's names are all on the Charity Navigator pages I referenced. Try them on LinkedIn & other online sites.

Tell us what their qualifications are, what other jobs they've held, and where they live.

For bonus points: what political causes do they contribute to? Civil Service laws prohibit forcing employees to make political contributions, but those laws don't apply to employees of these orgs, AFAIK.

> If you don’t trust them, you don’t have to give them your money

I don't, but the City still does.

Re:How the Rich Reap Huge Tax Breaks From Private Nonprofits by tacticalturtle on Sunday July 30, 2023 @05:49PM (#36936365)
Of those 5 for Tenderloin, I see two attorneys, a general director and founder who created the clinic in the 80’s, a director of finance with 10 years of experience as an auditor prior to holding the position for 20 years.

I don’t live anywhere near San Francisco, and those salaries seem entirely reasonable for being at the top of an organization that’s responsible for 1900 housing units, in tax year 2022.

Re:How the Rich Reap Huge Tax Breaks From Private Nonprofits by AlbertCory on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:40PM (#36937194)
Not much research there.

So: one person who might have private sector experience. And you didn't look at the biggest nonprofit. Or the potential for kickbacks from their salaries in the form of campaign contributions.

Recall that the claim was that they could make multiples of those salaries in the private sector. You're not showing much evidence for that.

And of course, the overall question is, is the City getting any value for that money?

Re:How the Rich Reap Huge Tax Breaks From Private Nonprofits by seattle_spring on Sunday July 30, 2023 @08:32PM (#36937583)
> Recall that the claim was that they could make multiples of those salaries in the private secto

That claim was meant for professionals working for non-profits more broadly, not your hyper-specific example of 5 people.

Re:How the Rich Reap Huge Tax Breaks From Private Nonprofits by AlbertCory on Sunday July 30, 2023 @08:56PM (#36937748)
Is "hyper specific" supposed to be a bad thing? These are the ones publicly disclosed. Do you know of some others?
Re:How the Rich Reap Huge Tax Breaks From Private Nonprofits by AlbertCory on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:41AM (#36944329)
OK, I think we've settled that your "it's very likely the people in those roles could make multiples more at private organizations" has no data behind it at all. Just a supposition, right?

By the way, I picked ten people, not five, just by taking the top two non-profits.

Re:How the Rich Reap Huge Tax Breaks From Private Nonprofits by taxinaut on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:24AM (#36940016)
> What incentive do these orgs have to actually solve the problem, when their very existence depends on it continuing?

This is true of government as well. After all there’s some middle management pencil pusher tasked with whatever job, and if it’s a problem getting worse they can get more resources, hire more people, move up the ranks, no? That might be easier and a better way of growing their career than solving the problem!