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Re:Wikifunctions by nonethewiser on Sunday July 30, 2023 @08:45AM (#36930617)
So Wikipedia asks me for donations but does company off-sites in Switzerland with Google?
Re:Wikifunctions by chris_wot on Sunday July 30, 2023 @10:11AM (#36931298)
Why is that so hard to believe? It’s a global organisation.
Re:Wikifunctions by jmye on Sunday July 30, 2023 @10:36AM (#36931552)
Do you think they should have to embrace austerity because they’ve asked for donations? Or do you think they can use donations in lieu of advertising dollars and otherwise function like any other similar company? Do you think it’s possible they were invited by google.org or received donations for the off-site itself?

I guess I’m not sure why this is remotely worth commenting on, but it seems to have struck a nerve. It’s like being upset that NPR takes donations but then gives its staff 15 minutes off to watch a tiny desk concert sometimes.

Re:Wikifunctions by panarky on Sunday July 30, 2023 @11:18AM (#36932061)
Because nobody who survives on donations or taxes should have the luxury of consuming more than 800 calories per day.
Re:Wikifunctions by Levitz on Sunday July 30, 2023 @11:27AM (#36932188)
>Do you think they should have to embrace austerity because they’ve asked for donations?

"Not embracing austerity" is one thing, "asking for donations" is another thing, "what Wikimedia currently does" is something completely different from these two things.

When you get a banner featuring Jimmy Wales with the words "Please read: A personal appeal from Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales" and then something like this:

>To all our readers in the UK,

>Please don’t scroll past this. This Friday, for the 1st time recently, we interrupt your reading to humbly ask you to support Wikipedia’s independence. Only 2% of our readers give. Many think they’ll give later, but then forget. If you donate just £2, or whatever you can this Friday, Wikipedia could keep thriving for years.

The impression is that Wikipedia (NOT Wikimedia) is in need of money to keep operating, which is simply not true.

Wikipedia has got more than enough money to keep operating, if Wikipedia, ever in our lifetimes, goes under, it won't be because they weren't given enough money but because they mishandled it.

It's like having a beggar come to you saying that he needs to eat, then seeing him 20 minutes later driving a porsche. I consider this to be abhorrent behavior. I donated once and will NEVER. EVER do it again and I advise nobody does it. If you want to do a good deed donate to the Internet Archive.

Re:Wikifunctions by moritzwarhier on Sunday July 30, 2023 @11:52AM (#36932512)
> if Wikipedia, ever in our lifetimes, goes under, it won't be because they weren't given enough money

I agree, I think it will be because they'll accept more money from commercial actors on the terms of whoever these actors are – Google currently does not seem to force any conditions on WP, as far as I can tell.

> If you want to do a good deed donate to the Internet Archive.

I agree with this as well but I consider both Wikimedia and the Internet Archive as extremely important.

Charitable causes always are at risk of "wasting" money. But the reason for that is that in a purely capitalistic sense the cause itself is not profitable.

Re:Wikifunctions by starkparker on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:25PM (#36933607)
The Rockefeller Foundation donated $1 million to Abstract Wikipedia toward the development of Wikifunctions a couple weeks ago: https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/07/12/abstract-wikipedia-gai...

Wikifunctions also got nine Google employees from a Google.org Fellowship in April 2022: https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/04/14/google-org-fellowship-...

The people whose business models benefit from this project's success will ensure it's staffed and funded. Your donations are emphatically not needed, nor will declining to donate do anything to slow it down.

Re:Wikifunctions by moritzwarhier on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:36PM (#36934479)
Thanks, I haven't been donating to WP but did not know that either.
Re:Wikifunctions by bawolff on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:29PM (#36935617)
I think a lot of abstract wikipedia is coming from restricted grants not the general donation pool.

Its a weird thing in the non profit world where its often easier to get money for pie in the sky things than keeping the lights on.

Re:Wikifunctions by atdt on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:22AM (#36942943)
Google.org donated money and staffing to support the Abstract Wikipedia project. Two of the seven Google.org fellows who were supporting the Abstract Wikipedia team are permanently based in Zurich[1], and Google was able to provide space to meet. It was the most practical place to hold an off-site.

  [1]: https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/04/14/google-org-fellowship-with-abstract-wikipedia-and-wikifunctions/