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Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by nuker on Sunday July 30, 2023 @03:55AM (#36928879)
Why the fox? Safari (WebKit) was always first to implement major privacy features, not Firefox.
Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by mananaysiempre on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:11AM (#36928993)
Because Apple has already shipped[1] the (functional equivalent of) evil web-breaking thing that the author is depicting the fight against.

[1] https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-att..., discussed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36862494

Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by Renaud on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:12AM (#36928998)
Mmmm, maybe because the last version of Safari that could be installed on Windows was from 2012 and Windows is still the most used computer OS at home and at work?

And when was the last version of Safari on Linux?

And using Firefox on iOS or Android allows you to sync your settings and history etc and send tabs between devices (and you should be happy, it uses Webkit on iOS -at least for now- because Apple won't have it any other way).

Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by Keirmot on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:04AM (#36928943)
Because Apple doesn’t support Windows nor Android
Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by pkulak on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:09AM (#36928984)
Nor Linux.
Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by tuyiown on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:17AM (#36929034)
Mozilla come back from the early 2000’ came with a strong narrative about standard compliance, during the peak of ie6.

They are the historical proponent of open web.

Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by nuker on Sunday July 30, 2023 @05:48AM (#36929515)
Firefox is not a player in this battle, too small. WebKit is.

If Apple one day stops forcing it on iOS, that would be the day the battle was lost, nothing would be stopping Google from taking it all.

Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by tuyiown on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:22AM (#36939674)
I don't think apple is the right player either. In its current state, the future of the web is pretty grim to me.
Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by jdsalaro on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:10AM (#36928985)
The detachment from reality I see in some HN readers is really mind boggling sometimes.

> Why the fox?

Perhaps because Firefox, and the Mozilla foundation as a whole, are one of the few projects not trying to milk you for data nor money? Might be a good enough reason in my book.

Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by PathfinderBot on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:15AM (#36929023)
> The detachment from reality I see in some HN readers is really mind boggling sometimes.

I try to balance it out by flagging unconstructive comments, leaving it alone, and participating in more constructive threads instead. For reference, take the classic "don't feed the trolls" advice, in combination with Lobster's flag types:

> For comments, these are: "Off-topic" for drifting into meta or topics that aren't related to the story; "Me-too" when a comment doesn't add new information, typically a single sentence of appreciation, agreement, or humor; "Troll" for derailing conversations into classic arguments, well-intentioned or not; "Unkind" when uncharitable, insulting, or dismissive; and "Spam" for promoting commercial services.

Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by jdsalaro on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:51AM (#36929234)
I agree, thanks for raising this.
Re:Fighting for the Open Web [image] by lrem on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:11AM (#36928992)
Apple was also the first to ship attestations in Safari.