Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by cubefox on Sunday July 30, 2023 @05:02AM
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Physical limits don't matter much when economic limits (transistor cost) are reached much earlier. What matters is not transistors per chip area (Moore's law) but FLOP/s per chip cost. Also FLOP per chip power draw.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by ly3xqhl8g9 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:26AM
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Economic limits are imaginary, secondhand effects of the ideological goggles one's society decides to wear at a certain time for arbitrary reasons. USA during the Manhattan Project knew of no economic limits, i.e. they could arbitrarily push them according to the greater goal; China today, for instance, knows no economic limits. But yes, today, in the "Western" world a speech such as "we choose to get 160 zetaflops (10^21) [1] under your desk in 10 years because it is hard" [2] would be unimaginable, also because you can count on the fingers of an amputated arm how many politicians know what a FLOP is.
[1] https://geohot.github.io/blog/jekyll/update/2023/04/26/a-per...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_choose_to_go_to_the_Moon
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by cubefox on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:32AM
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There is no use in making chips that are not cost effective.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by ly3xqhl8g9 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:40AM
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There is no use in synthesizing (C6H6O·CH2O)n [1] (or LK-99, to be actual, real or not) that is not cost effective.
It's precisely this penny pusher rhetoric which in the end will make China win, deservedly so.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by Qwertious on Sunday July 30, 2023 @10:50AM
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"Penny pusher rhetoric" is an interesting name for capitalism. Because, for better or worse, that is what's being described. You're not wrong though.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by ly3xqhl8g9 on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:15AM
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Interestingly enough, penny pushing also destroys capitalism, see The Man Who Broke Capitalism: How Jack Welch Gutted the Heartland and Crushed the Soul of Corporate America―and How to Undo His Legacy [1].
[1] https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Man-Who-Broke-Cap...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limits_of_computation
[2] The ~12 watts computer inside each living human adult skull (and perhaps each eukaryote cell [6]) is still the state-of-the-art, for quite some time.
[3] 2021, Jim Keller: The Secret to Moore's Law, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x17jIKQf9hE
[4] 2019, Jim Keller: Moore’s Law is Not Dead, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIG9ztQw2Gc
[5] 2023, Change w/ Jim Keller, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzgyksS5pX8
[6] Our computers aren't yet able of polycomputation, where the computation topology, data, and functions depend on the observer, instead of computation in a passive implementation, once done forever set in s̶t̶o̶n̶e̶ silicon, 2023, Michael Levin, Agency, Attractors, & Observer-Dependent Computation in Biology & Beyond, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whZRH7IGAq0