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Re:In the 17th Century, Leibniz Dreamed of a Machine That Co... by cubefox on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:59PM (#36925124)
(2019)

Note that this article precedes both ChatGPT and GPT-3. When it was written, Leibniz' idea of a machine reasoning by manipulating symbols was still science fiction. Now it is very much reality.

Re:In the 17th Century, Leibniz Dreamed of a Machine That Co... by mensetmanusman on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:37PM (#36925985)
Are the billions of parameters all symbols, or are you referencing math manipulation as symbol manipulation?
Re:In the 17th Century, Leibniz Dreamed of a Machine That Co... by cubefox on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:51AM (#36928255)
Both the inputs and outputs are symbols: text.
Re:In the 17th Century, Leibniz Dreamed of a Machine That Co... by mensetmanusman on Sunday July 30, 2023 @08:35AM (#36930551)
The machine is considering text the same way as RGB pixel values in the annealing process. Are these pixel values symbols?

Maybe it’s all information and symbols are a small way to grasp at it but not the complete way.

Re:In the 17th Century, Leibniz Dreamed of a Machine That Co... by WillAdams on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:33PM (#36926806)
Does ChatGPT actually manipulate symbols, or does it string together strings of characters based on what most frequently occurs next? I haven't seen anything that indicates actual working w/ symbols/logic/ideas.
Re:In the 17th Century, Leibniz Dreamed of a Machine That Co... by gberger on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:44PM (#36927305)
"string together strings of characters" = "manipulate symbols", no?
Re:In the 17th Century, Leibniz Dreamed of a Machine That Co... by WillAdams on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:18PM (#36927480)
There is a big difference between

"War and Peace"

as a string of ISO-Latin1 characters which are frequently found in that order, and "novel by Tolstoy which contains many insights into the human condition" _and_ understanding the symbolism of said insights.

A grade school student who has read and understood _War and Peace_ would be able to write a paper which is original to the degree that it did not previously exist as that exact sequence of characters, even if it had no original insights, while ChatGPT would regurgitate the most frequent combinations of characters which the metadata and so forth indicate are in the context of writing about that novel.

Re:In the 17th Century, Leibniz Dreamed of a Machine That Co... by MichaelMoser123 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:42PM (#36933054)
i think it is working with embeddings - meaning that each word (or word stem) is represented by a very long vector of floating point numbers. These vectors are the result of something like word2vec. The input text is transformed into these embedding vectors and lined up in sequence (that's called the context window), then this gargantuan ML model works starts to process this gargantuan input sequence.
Re:In the 17th Century, Leibniz Dreamed of a Machine That Co... by WillAdams on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:00AM (#36942581)
Yes, but it's a processing by association, not understanding.
Re:In the 17th Century, Leibniz Dreamed of a Machine That Co... by kangalioo on Monday July 31, 2023 @07:56AM (#36941313)
s/frequently/likely

(Large language models are not plain Markov chains, contrary to popular belief)

Re:In the 17th Century, Leibniz Dreamed of a Machine That Co... by WillAdams on Monday July 31, 2023 @09:59AM (#36942567)
Having parameters for "temperature" and so forth, while it might provide sometimes useful functionality, does not change the basic nature.