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Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by NoZebra120vClip on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:30PM (#36924228)
> how Muni trains close their doors and pull one foot out of the station just to wait at a red light

There are safety and scheduling reasons for this. They are not merely trying to snub riders. For example, the light rail trains here have a standard for how long they open their doors at each station. It's something like 14 seconds. A vehicle with open doors will also allow passengers to disembark; it's a two-way passage. So should they sit in the station with closed doors, or push off a few yards down to the intersection? Now, other motorists see a train stopped at a station and they think one thing. They see a train stopped and waiting for a red light and they know that it will proceed through on green. It seems weird to imagine a train that lingers at the station as if it's boarding but it's not, it's really waiting for the light to change, and then it will pounce on the opportunity. That's less than predictable behavior, as far as other motorists are concerned.

Our transit authority reminds riders to arrive at the stop 5 minutes early. We're also reminded that if we miss this one, another one is on the way. Passengers need not inherit that toxic road rage.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by closeparen on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:59PM (#36925693)
That's exactly what I'm talking about. The space is for drivers. The rules governing the space are tuned for the predictability and convenience of drivers. The light rail is just a slower, less maneuverable, very timidly driven car that we're all sharing.

It wasn't like that in The Netherlands. Urban spaces where the LRVs operate have few cars and fewer traffic lights. The train moves like it means business and anything in its way scatters. As a passenger, it feels like you & your journey matter. On Muni it's like you're in a DMV waiting room.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by NoZebra120vClip on Saturday July 29, 2023 @08:40PM (#36926445)
Well, I suppose if you want to seize on one reason out of several, then I suppose you win. I could've easily have said that pedestrians also expect the same sort of behavior at a red/green light.
Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by Doxin on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:44AM (#36939781)
> Our transit authority reminds riders to arrive at the stop 5 minutes early.

For reference, In the Netherlands you only strictly need to be at the stop 30 seconds before departure, as that is when the doors close in preparation for departure.

> Now, other motorists see a train stopped at a station and they think one thing. They see a train stopped and waiting for a red light and they know that it will proceed through on green.

Why in the hell would drivers need to know that? Leave the train with the doors open at the station to allow any late comers to board. When the track clears start the traffic light cycle to stop car traffic, close the train doors and depart. The drivers see a red light and hopefully know to stop, whether or not they can see a train waiting.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by armandhammer on Monday July 31, 2023 @07:23PM (#36950242)
That's nothing compared to Tokyo and Osaka. The train arrives within 20 seconds of its scheduled time, the doors open for about 10 seconds, and 3 seconds after the doors close the train starts moving again.