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Re:Tesla's Dieselgate by littlestymaar on Saturday July 29, 2023 @02:46PM (#36923225)
> What grid are you on? In the US, wind and solar comprise 80% of the marginal production in 2022 and almost 100% of the future planned marginal production

I don't know where you got your figures from, but wind and solar can almost never be the marginal production means at all[1], given they have a marginal cost of almost zero…

[1] unless there some very strong anti-renewable regulation going on forcing the renewable to only supply power to the grid after a threshold, but I don't know who would want to build wind and solar in such a context…

Re:Tesla's Dieselgate by bryanlarsen on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:46PM (#36925011)
Marginal as in "new capacity added to the grid".

Cars charge at night, so they help flatten the duck curve and use mostly base power. They're good complements to wind power, which is usually stronger at night.

Re:Tesla's Dieselgate by littlestymaar on Sunday July 30, 2023 @03:24AM (#36928717)
> Marginal as in "new capacity added to the grid".

That's not what this word means though.

> Cars charge at night, so they help flatten the duck curve and use mostly base power

When the car is being used for daily commute, yes, but not when travelling (IIRC the majority of gas consumption is caused by long-distance travelling in my country).

> They're good complements to wind power, which is usually stronger at night

Do you have a source for that?Because me personal experience suggest the opposite actually.

Re:Tesla's Dieselgate by bryanlarsen on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:59PM (#36934058)
The word you're looking for is "peak". Marginal capacity describes both the last piece added and the first piece removed. It can apply to both our usages, and since there's a better term for your usage...

> When the car is being used for daily commute, yes, but not when travelling (IIRC the majority of gas consumption is caused by long-distance travelling in my country).

Citation definitely needed, I strongly disbelieve this.

Even our 500 miles trip mostly use night energy -- charge overnight for the first 320 on cheap night electricity, add 200 halfway in between at expensive rates, and recharge to full at destination at cheap night rates.

> Do you have a source for that?Because me personal experience suggest the opposite actually.

First one that showed up in my Google: https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/ma...

Even where it's not true, the production delta between night and day is lower than the demand delta between night day, so wind provides a disproportionate share of power at night.