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Re:Argonne National Lab is attempting to replicate LK-99 by drtgh on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:50AM (#36918267)
The popular Journals have an strange business,

· By one side the Journal reclaim a high amount of money for being able TO TRY to publish on them (APCs fee), more if one want to be published for to allow free access, as to read the publication in such Journals require subscription, are pay walled.

· By other side, the reviewers of such papers, academics and researchers from other universities, don't receive economical compensation for doing the review, while the taken APCs fee its supposed for doing it? only in few cases the review is compensated by some programs of the reviewer's university or other 3rd parties. Then, what is for all those pay-walls and publish-fees?

Sounds like a big filter... for what? for who? Because can be seen it's not working just as a mere "quality" filter.

So as my outsider point of view (from time to time I have to use Sci-Hub in fact), I understand if they decide to don't publish in such popular Journals, and I consider absolutely legitimate when they do it in distribution channels like arXiv.

Being an paper published in one of those popular Journals, or being done directly in medias like arXiv, both sources needs the same amount of "grain of salt" about what is being read, until others replicate experiments, or contrast theories, or trust in the researcher meticulousness.

So, what I would really would like to be able to access is an open research platform without any kind of pay walled paper, like arXiv, and if reviews were done across the time, through such platform, being able to read them also. And in same way, equally important, to have access to debates about such paper at the button, like if it were hacker news format.

Re:Argonne National Lab is attempting to replicate LK-99 by blablabla123 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @08:20AM (#36919554)
> Sounds like a big filter... for what? for who? Because can be seen it's not working just as a mere "quality" filter.

To me it seems it keeps not only a wall around papers and journals. But also about whole academia which is probably an unwanted side effect since inside and outside of academia there seems to be consensus that knowledge transfer could be better. Also it seems everybody who can rather does research outside (AI/ML, Chemistry, Pharmacy).

Re:Argonne National Lab is attempting to replicate LK-99 by godelski on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:28PM (#36923642)
I mostly agree with you. But I absolutely despise debates. They are more often than not worthless. They are based on charisma and how good you are at language, not facts. Discussion is the right word. I've often thought of pushing directly to OpenReview rather than just arxiv, but discussions can get off base quickly and novices can dominate (while academic Twitter is great, this happens there a lot). It is not our job as a researcher to communicate our ideas to laymen, that's the job of science communicators. Sure, it is great and a bonus, but please stop asking on my github how to do something that is in the pytorch intro tutorial. Read the tutorial or attend my class. Open discussions are nice in theory, but HN and Reddit are good examples at how these systems often get over burdened with noise. There's a catch-22 and so it is a tough call.
Re:Argonne National Lab is attempting to replicate LK-99 by still_grokking on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:26PM (#36924200)
> […] and in addition, peer reviews through the platform were possible, as to read such reviews, and also, equally important, to have available debates about the paper, […]

Someone here mentioned:

https://openreview.net

Looks exactly like what is asked for.

Never heard about it though. Would need some more visibility (and word of mouth, I guess).