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Re:Joel on Software: Anecdotes by run4yourlives on Tuesday November 18, 2008 @11:47PM (#369142)
On Sunday Dave Winer defined "great blogging" as "people talking about things they know about, not just expressing opinions about things they are not experts in." Can we get some more of that, please? Thanks.

Irony, defined. :-) I kid.

I think Joel's problem here is that he missed the point where any of these guys claimed to be doing anything more than making a bunch of observations. Galdwell certainly isn't science, but I don't think he proclaims to be either.

I haven't read his newest book, but certainly his thesis is at odds with the idea (the one we truly want to love) that the only thing separating the haves from have nots is desire and work ethic. We're all over saying this is common sense, but then we find it outrageous that this could have an affect on any one particular outcome.

Gladwell's ultimate theory I suppose is that his observations should make us question how our society functions overall (again, haven't read the book yet). I guess that forces us to look at things in a way we often don't enjoy.

Re:Joel on Software: Anecdotes by Tichy on Wednesday November 19, 2008 @01:55AM (#369262)
"Galdwell certainly isn't science, but I don't think he proclaims to be either."

The problem is that the majority of people will think it is science. It is written in a book, so it has to be true.

Re:Joel on Software: Anecdotes by run4yourlives on Wednesday November 19, 2008 @01:58AM (#369265)
The stupidity of some people can hardly be blamed on the author of the book.
Re:Joel on Software: Anecdotes by wensing on Wednesday November 19, 2008 @10:07AM (#369510)
isn't science must be the new intellectual attack cliché.

Would someone care to define this proper science?

Re:Joel on Software: Anecdotes by DanielBMarkham on Wednesday November 19, 2008 @10:57AM (#369544)
Here's a working definition for you: the construction of interlinked models that are proven/disproven by repeatable independent experiments. Science is tentative and falsifiable. The normal day-to-day scientist usually deals with somewhat boring measurements and experiments inside of a paradigm. Every now and then the paradigm is shown to be broken and a new paradigm takes its place.

Usually to call something "not science" is to say it is not based on 1) testable, falsifiable hypothesis, 2) accurate data, or 3) an inability to replicate/verify

Re:Joel on Software: Anecdotes by Tichy on Wednesday November 19, 2008 @10:15AM (#369514)
I don't know about Gladwell's book (it sounds rather good actually), but I think officially science is defined via testable hypothesises and their tests. Maybe Wikipedia could help?
Re:Joel on Software: Anecdotes by jwilliams on Wednesday November 19, 2008 @12:02AM (#369156)
> I think Joel's problem here is that he missed the point where any of these guys claimed to be doing anything more than making a bunch of observations. Galdwell certainly isn't science, but I don't think he proclaims to be either.

Well I'm going to compound it by adding my observations :)

I've got to say, in my own experience, I like anecdotes that are war-stories best. A critical self-analysis often is full of insights for others... The most gripping, amusing and insightful talks I've seen have often been "here's how a large project detonated on us".

Unfortunately, in my experience (I end up at a lot of SOA, Cloud, Web/2.0 type events) these are quite rare for a variety of reasons . You tend to get more of the hypothesis/external critique - which by and large I find a lot less valuable.

Anyway, that's my anecdote on anecdotes :)