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Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by toshk on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:40AM (#36875461)
I didn;t know to be honest. So good point, thanks for clarification.

However I dove into it, Boiling wasn't always easy, so they didn't always heat it properly for sterilization: https://byo.com/article/raw-ale/.

Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by bregma on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:01AM (#36875641)
You have to boil the wort for hours otherwise it's not beer, it's porridge. It's that process that kills any pathogens, not the fermentation (obviously, since fermentation requires the presence of pathogens).
Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by shaftoe on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:14AM (#36875771)
So boiling isn't strictly required, though it has nice benefits on the wort (in a phase called the "hot break"). However, it is necessary to reach certain temperature (140-160 F, though broader may work) to convert starch into sugar.

In old times, a metal vessel large enough to boil an entire batch of wort may not have been feasible. Other techniques were used in these cases.

Say you have a wooden barrel or tub:

* Take off a portion of the wort, boil it, and add it back. This is decoction.

* Heat rocks and add them into the wort.

Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by jacquesm on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @08:05AM (#36876290)
> In old times, a metal vessel large enough to boil an entire batch of wort may not have been feasible.

Define 'old times'?

Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by mianos on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:43AM (#36876071)
Eventually the most alcohol tolerant bacteria, the ones primarily fermenting the sugars, get killed by the alcohol itself (by denaturation, the alcohol makes the membranes soluble in water). At that point there are very few more alcohol tolerant bacterium.
Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by bluGill on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @08:22AM (#36876451)
Bacteria does not make alcohol. It is yeast, which is a fungus.
Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by mianos on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @08:34AM (#36876587)
Ah true. I'm using the wrong family name.