Yes, the founding fathers of the world’s oldest democracy were just like any old grandpas.

I mean no doubt The Constitution is great, I'm a very big fan, but the US is less than 250 years old which is nearly nothing on the stage of history. Let's see how the next few decades break before we elevate them entirely to deity status

Yet we have watched other governments come and go, and here we are: the oldest democracy on earth.

There were plenty millenia older democracy, including the place where the very term got its name.

And, yes, the founding fathers (...) were just like any old grandpas. They were men of state at a particular place and time. Just because it happens to be your ancestral place and time, doesn't make it anything more impressive than hundreds of other leaders in history, including near history.

The main reason they get celebrated is because they place they founded got rich, but that was due to factors other than their brilliance.

I didn’t say the first, I said the oldest.

> And, yes, the founding fathers (...) were just like any old grandpas. They were men of state at a particular place and time. Just because it happens to be your ancestral place and time, doesn't make it anything more impressive than hundreds of other leaders in history, including near history.

This is the definition of edgy contrarianism. They were on the forefront of enacting a new-ish system of thought into a stable and long-lasting democratic republic, the first really liberal and representative version of such. They were exceptional men in a unique time and capitalized on that to the benefit of hundreds of millions or arguably billions of people. They were unique men.