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Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by ffhhttt on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @02:33AM (#36873820)
To be fair it went both ways.

Also they were mad at the British for not allowing them to steal Native American land in a disorganized way. You had to go the Crown which would negotiate with the tribe on your behalf etc. Washington (especially) of course had other ideas..

Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by peyton on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @02:47AM (#36873915)
Yeah it’s one of the grievances in the Declaration of Independence. They were pretty explicit about what they wanted.
Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by hef19898 on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @04:47AM (#36874760)
So not just keeping slaves and getting tax excemptions but also being allowe to steal native american's land every way they want?
Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by chrisco255 on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:12AM (#36875286)
The Crown had no plans to end slavery in 1775. That had nothing to do with the cause of the war. The northern colonies in fact wanted to end slavery at the onset of the revolution. The colonists were upset about having to fight wars for an increasingly distant monarch while they were largely self sufficient, and yet not given power at Parliament. In particular, the French and Indian War fought just a decade prior to the onset of the revolution, was a major precursor: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_War
Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by hef19898 on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:31AM (#36875399)
History disagrees:

- 1706: Slaves entering England are freed

- 1772: no slaves can be removed from England,remaining slaves emanzipated

- 1779: all slaves fleeing from tha US are freed, regardless of their willingness to fight for the queen

So, yes, the crown had legal precendent and plans to abolish slavery as far back as the early 18th century.

Source:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_sla...

Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by mtreis86 on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:43AM (#36876061)
English ships hauled slaves around a lot later than that. https://www.slavevoyages.org/voyages/Elnd5Nzy
Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by ffhhttt on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @08:42AM (#36876698)
Those were just the decisions of local of judges which declared that slavery can’t exist in Britain because without additional legislation.

The British Crown and the upper classes had no issue at all with African Anerican and Indian slavery in the colonies and were happy to profit from it.

Abolitionism was a fringe view at the time.

Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by jcranmer on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @08:49AM (#36876795)
- 1833: Britain forbids slaves in its colonies

Sure, England had a ruling that slavery was illegal in England... but there was no push to interdict slavery elsewhere in the empire (not even Scotland and Ireland, IIRC), especially the colonies. And do recall that some individual Caribbean islands had more slaves than all of British North America.

That's in fact why the British Caribbean didn't revolt during the American Revolution: they were like "what, revolt and risk dealing with a slave revolt without backup from the British Army?"

Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by chrisco255 on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:09AM (#36875268)
They were mad over the French and Indian War which the Crown had gleefully dragged the colonists into, under which some tribes allied with the French and others with the Brits, to fight over territory, a story as old as time. Inter tribal and international warfare was, of course, an ancient pasttime among both native Europeans and native Americans.
Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by avgcorrection on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:05AM (#36875677)
The Colonists Genocided The Natives But It Could Have Gone Either Way

The comment.

Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by ffhhttt on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @08:38AM (#36876649)
To be fair they didn’t quite manage to complete it since at the end the British decide the Indian to keep most of the land the colonists expected to get.

e.g. Washington and his soldiers were promised quite a bit of land in Ohio(?) as a reward for helping fight the french. All of that land ended up being an Indian reserve the Crown decided to establish instead.

Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by avgcorrection on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @09:10AM (#36877062)
And the Armenians still exist.
Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by ffhhttt on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @09:52AM (#36877715)
I’m not sure what you’re implying?
Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by avgcorrection on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @10:19AM (#36878174)
I’m replying, not implying.

> > To be fair they didn’t quite manage to complete it

Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by ffhhttt on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @01:13PM (#36881196)
Well yeah, but I was talking specifically about the French and Indian war and its aftermath when various Indian tribes still to some degree controlled a territory which was several times larger than the all 13 colonies put together.

They had to wait till independence to “complete it”.

Re:When did people stop being drunk all the time? by avgcorrection on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @05:19PM (#36885196)
Definitely fair.