“We’ve Changed the Game”: Teamsters Win Historic UPS Contract

Re:“We’ve Changed the Game”: Teamsters Win Historic UPS Cont... by nxm on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:13PM (#36870375)

They’ve removed the ability to fire the bad ones (hurting students in the process), and hence preventing the good ones from getting paid better

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Re:“We’ve Changed the Game”: Teamsters Win Historic UPS Cont... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:16PM (#36870400)

Determining a good UPS worker is much easier than determining a good teacher.

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Re:“We’ve Changed the Game”: Teamsters Win Historic UPS Cont... by gruez on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:35PM (#36870644)

It is. Amazon uses metrics to rate driver performance and they're regularly derided for it. Based on that, I'm highly doubtful that unions would allow performance based firings in their contracts.

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Re:“We’ve Changed the Game”: Teamsters Win Historic UPS Cont... by tyrfing on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:51PM (#36870822)

Correct, the union does not recognize any performance standards. However, getting the (driving) job is done by demonstrating you can meet very high performance standards over the course of 30 days, and other things like even minor dishonesty can result in being fired on the spot. There's also lots of gentler pressure than "work faster or we'll fire you" that happens in practice, with a lot of contract language that can work both ways.

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Re:“We’ve Changed the Game”: Teamsters Win Historic UPS Cont... by duxup on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:19PM (#36870436)

Yup. It’s a mess for teachers.

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