Re:The Mathematical Universe Hypothesis (2007)
by loicd on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:45AM
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In section D:
> If one rejects the ERH, one could argue that our universe is somehow made of stuff perfectly described by a
mathematical structure, but which also has other properties that are not described by it, and cannot be described
in an abstract baggage-free way. This viewpoint [...]
would make Karl Popper turn in his grave, since those
additional bells and whistles that make the universe non-mathematical by definition have no observable effects
whatsoever.
I don't think that follows. It could be that the universe is asymptotically mathematical, in the sense that any mathematical structure falls short of perfectly describing the universe, but there is always a more sophisticated mathematical structure that is a closer approximation. The problem of course is that a mathematical description is made of a finite number of symbols. It could be that the external reality hypothesis holds, but the universe can only be described in a baggage-free way with an infinite number of symbols.
> If one rejects the ERH, one could argue that our universe is somehow made of stuff perfectly described by a mathematical structure, but which also has other properties that are not described by it, and cannot be described in an abstract baggage-free way. This viewpoint [...] would make Karl Popper turn in his grave, since those additional bells and whistles that make the universe non-mathematical by definition have no observable effects whatsoever.
I don't think that follows. It could be that the universe is asymptotically mathematical, in the sense that any mathematical structure falls short of perfectly describing the universe, but there is always a more sophisticated mathematical structure that is a closer approximation. The problem of course is that a mathematical description is made of a finite number of symbols. It could be that the external reality hypothesis holds, but the universe can only be described in a baggage-free way with an infinite number of symbols.