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Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by NegativeK on Monday July 24, 2023 @08:26PM (#36856119)
An open wifi network is akin to having the shades open or your door unlocked.

You can take advantage of it, but almost everyone is going to feel like it's not right unless they have consent.

An open house would be akin to have an open wifi network labeled "PleaseUseMe".

Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by dumpsterdiver on Monday July 24, 2023 @08:33PM (#36856183)
I disagree. An open WiFi network that is not being advertised would be similar to leaving a door unlocked or the shades open. When that network is actively advertised it ceases to be an open blind, and moves into open house territory.
Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by slimsag on Monday July 24, 2023 @08:46PM (#36856309)
So if my front door is open, or my garage door is open, you feel you have the right to enter my home without permission?
Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by dumpsterdiver on Monday July 24, 2023 @09:13PM (#36856533)
If you are advertising that your door is unlocked, and the precedent is to enter unlocked doors - as it is to connect to open networks, then yes. Permission in such a scenario is implied.

You make these analogies attempting to equate an advertised open WiFi network to an unlocked home, while ignoring the precedent around both of those things.

It is expected that people connect to your advertised open WiFi network. It is not expected that people wiggle your doorknob to check if it's unlocked or not. If you put a sign on the door advertising, "the door is unlocked!" then I wouldn't be surprised when someone mistakes that for "come in".

Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by r3trohack3r on Monday July 24, 2023 @09:47PM (#36856841)
> Permission in such a scenario is implied.

I say this in good faith, and out of concern for your well being, you should look at the laws in your state and reconsider your stance on open doors.

At least where I live, if you are in my house and I don’t think you belong, I can use deadly force. Very few terms and conditions apply. Doesn’t matter if the door was unlocked, open, labeled as open, or you thought you had an invitation to enter.

Please don’t let yourself into other peoples houses, regardless of whether you think you were invited or not.

Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by patch_cable on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @02:58AM (#36858893)
I think that depends a bit on context. If I am at home, and my neighbors are advertising an open Wi-Fi network, I’ve never taken that as an invitation to connect and use it. However, if I’m at coffee shop Foo and I see “Foo Guest” advertised, then sure…
Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by doctor_eval on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @03:27AM (#36859096)
Does that also give you the right to sniff their network and steal their email passwords?
Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by dumpsterdiver on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:43PM (#36872148)
No it doesn't. Imo, that would be both poor etiquette, and a violation of trust.

While I do remember hearing about Google Maps vehicles connecting to open WiFi networks in the news, I don't recall hearing about private credentials being published. Was that the case? I thought it was just a map of open WiFi networks that was published with basic details such as SSID?

Edit: I found the article (2010, holy cow does time fly). It looks like they did collect payload data for non-encrypted traffic. Even though the data wasn't published in any way, I must agree that they went too far. I would have no issue if they were to simply verify that they could connect and record basic info such as SSID, but collecting payload data from network requests was inappropriate.

Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by NegativeK on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @02:12PM (#36866840)
I've never felt that it's appropriate to connect to residential open wifi. If I see one near where I live, I assume it's a misconfiguration.
Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by doctor_eval on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @03:24AM (#36859078)
The splitting of hairs between “open” and “advertised” is ridiculous. It’s the users who had their passwords stolen, not the hotspot.

A better analogy is:

I leave my door open with a welcome sign out the front.

Two people enter.

One of them picks the pocket of the other.

And then the thief blames the guy who told him about the open door in the first place.

Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by dumpsterdiver on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @12:05AM (#36872954)
To be clear, my stance on the matter is that it is 100% okay for anyone to connect to any open WiFi network.

I don't find it particularly troublesome that maps of open WiFi networks exist.

I do not, however, think that it's okay to behave maliciously on open WiFi networks.

My earlier response to your comment about hoovering plain text passwords didn't properly acknowledge the bad behavior that took place. I concede that you are correct, it was rude and insidious behavior.

Re:Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gateke... by doctor_eval on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:01AM (#36875212)
No worries, thanks for being a good sport. I think we agree all around.

It was never the connecting that bothered me, it was the storage of the data encountered.