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Re:Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rathe... by codetrotter on Thursday July 20, 2023 @10:48AM (#36801291)
> Apple didn't give two stones about security until it became a marketing/selling point as a counterpoint to the big G

That’s not true. Apple was position itself as being better at security than Microsoft long before Google was selling devices to people.

For example:

https://youtu.be/VuqZ8AqmLPY

Re:Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rathe... by elishah on Thursday July 20, 2023 @11:07AM (#36801604)
True, but security and privacy are different things. At most, one could say that security is necessary-but-not-sufficient for privacy.

Google is generally excellent at security, but that doesn't change the fact that they're a nightmare for privacy.

Re:Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rathe... by i_am_jl on Thursday July 20, 2023 @11:04AM (#36801561)
Apple sold itself as having better security.

It's debatable whether or not that was true, and even if you believed it it was up for another debate whether that security was by design or because Apple's vanishingly small share of the PC market made it uneconomical to write malware targeting OSX.

This isn't to say that Microsoft was doing security properly back then either, they weren't.

Re:Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rathe... by lwhi on Thursday July 20, 2023 @11:16AM (#36801750)
Hmm, might want to reconsider that [1]

[1]https://www.theregister.com/2017/11/28/root_access_bypass_ma....

Re:Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rathe... by asmor on Thursday July 20, 2023 @11:21AM (#36801838)
security isn't privacy, and technology isn't a public policy alignment
Re:Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rathe... by lwhi on Thursday July 20, 2023 @11:34AM (#36802043)
I was responding to a comment directly mentioning 'security'