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Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by Graziano_M on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @06:13PM (#36794214)
> It actually became a contest, not just of bicycling, but of doping, because getting away with it was quite difficult and it took years for the world of cycling to get good enough countermeasures to shift the advantage to non-doping.

Not just a contest of hiding doping, but of winning against others who were doping. If everyone is doping, then you could argue it's still a fair playing field, just with a higher skill ceiling.

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Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by noah_buddy on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @07:55PM (#36795195)
It’s not a fair playing field because there were still people who did not cheat.
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Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by Graziano_M on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @07:57PM (#36795211)
That's why I said, "If everyone is doping" :)
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Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by optimalsolver on Thursday July 20, 2023 @02:55AM (#36797578)
But that's not what you were actually implying.
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Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by DrBenCarson on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @09:12PM (#36795749)
As long as they knew others were doping, I would argue it was still a fair playing field. The real advantage is in others not knowing you are illegally enhancing performance.
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Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by jnsaff2 on Thursday July 20, 2023 @01:24AM (#36797138)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophe_Bassons
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Re:Stanford president resigns over manipulated research, wil... by friendzis on Thursday July 20, 2023 @01:49AM (#36797256)
> If everyone is doping, then you could argue it's still a fair playing field, just with a higher skill ceiling.

No, because now you have at least two contests in parallel: the race event for the cyclist and through-the-year "doping and not getting caught" for medical/management team.

For example one prominent olympic level swimmer was disqualified because they failed to appear for testing multiple times. Why would one do that just to come back after disqualification?

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