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Re:When Open Becomes Opaque: The Changing Face of Open-Sourc... by oytis on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @02:21PM (#36790913)
> the west has been "doing something" about it for hundreds of years. various tactics, strategies, wars, colonialism, both pro- and anti- whatever regime is in power. none of it works long term.

Come on, China was pretty irrelevant to the outside world until the US started pumping money into it in the 70s. That's exactly what the West should stop doing.

Re:When Open Becomes Opaque: The Changing Face of Open-Sourc... by inconceivable on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @02:39PM (#36791207)
the reason you are so confused is because your assumption that china just popped into existence fully-formed in 1945 or whatever, is totally and utterly wrong and ignores literally hundreds if not thousands of years of relevant history.

literally everyone has tried to take over china, from the mongols to the british to the japanese. i bet even the romans had some half-assed plan they were working on.

Re:When Open Becomes Opaque: The Changing Face of Open-Sourc... by cracrecry on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @03:40PM (#36792056)
>literally everyone has tried to take over china (modern translation: "access their markets"), from the mongols to the british to the japanese. i bet even the romans had some half-assed plan they were working on.

China was an Empire because they tried(and succeeded) taking over neighbours by force, including Mongols and Japanese.

To portray Chinese like saints or victims is not knowing about the thousands of years you talk about.

Re:When Open Becomes Opaque: The Changing Face of Open-Sourc... by cyberax on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @04:14PM (#36792534)
> China was an Empire because they tried(and succeeded) taking over neighbours by force, including Mongols and Japanese.

Uhm... You clearly have no idea about China.

First, it was _itself_ conquered by Mongols ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_China ). Who were then simply assimilated.

Second, China has never conquered Japan.

Overall, China has been remarkably non-aggressive.

Re:When Open Becomes Opaque: The Changing Face of Open-Sourc... by disintegore on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @05:07PM (#36793400)
Probably the least belligerent superpower in history, internally and externally.

They're no saints. Anybody can see that. But by my estimation 90% of the discourse around China in the west is just pure consent manufacturing.

Re:When Open Becomes Opaque: The Changing Face of Open-Sourc... by inconceivable on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @04:21PM (#36792632)
lmao china took over japan

OKAY BUDDY.

you are literally just making shit up.