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Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by dbish on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @01:28PM (#36790081)
Is MIT still worth the price of admission? I would certainly say so and they don't do legacy, and I would trust the Princeton/Harvard line on a resume a lot more if it was guaranteed they didn't get in because of non-academic reasons (like parents, sports, etc.)
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by philwelch on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @02:12PM (#36790752)
MIT and Harvard are almost completely different. The promise of MIT, as I understand it, is sort of a ruthless no-compromise academic excellence. The promise of Harvard or Yale is that you are going to be inducted into the American ruling class. These are different goals.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by dbish on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @02:34PM (#36791113)
For students, sure, but when being hired (or funded) they all have similar “elite” tier intelligence/potential, nothing about ruling class
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by philwelch on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @03:08PM (#36791612)
In tech, sure, but that’s because it’s tech. How many MIT alums are on the Supreme Court?
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by dbish on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @03:51PM (#36792203)
Lawyers are certainly an old profession stuck in old ways. I agree
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by hervature on Thursday July 20, 2023 @12:43AM (#36796963)
MIT doesn't have a law school.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by AuryGlenz on Thursday July 20, 2023 @02:18AM (#36797404)
To be fair, Supreme Court justices didn’t always used to previously be judges. So, you know, there’s a chance…
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by philwelch on Thursday July 20, 2023 @12:55PM (#36803341)
That goes to my original point, I think.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by bamfly on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @05:05PM (#36793362)
Might not be crazy to prefer someone with that ruling-class cred/connections (even if not, themselves, of that background) in certain very-lucrative sales positions. Or investing. Or law (especially the varieties that tend to pay very well). Or lobbying. Or just about any halfway-important position in a non-profit. Or the C-suite of a corporation, and more-so the bigger it is.

And so on.

Lots of cases where "oh, I sailed with her nephew one Summer when we were both at Harvard" or just being able to credibly wear any of several "in-group" school colors ties and talk the talk is worth more than 10 extra IQ points or whatever.

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by tivert on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @05:17PM (#36793548)
>> MIT and Harvard are almost completely different. The promise of MIT, as I understand it, is sort of a ruthless no-compromise academic excellence. The promise of Harvard or Yale is that you are going to be inducted into the American ruling class. These are different goals.

> For students, sure, but when being hired (or funded) they all have similar “elite” tier intelligence/potential, nothing about ruling class

Being suited to "ruthless no-compromise academic excellence" may actually tend to make one unsuited to a whole host of "ruling class" jobs, so maybe they're not so similar after all.

IMHO, people who are personally focused on intelligence (especially when they're "intelligent" themselves) tend to overestimate its value in a lot of endeavors. Even in academic sphere, I understand a lot of extremely successful scientists are intelligent but not that intelligent. Their success comes from their attitude, personality, and other factors.

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by nemo44x on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @04:38PM (#36792915)
MIT still has standards and you need to be able to play at a very high level there. Most everyone is too dumb to go there. The others not so much.