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Re:Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity by jedberg on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @01:10PM (#36775863)
This only works if you require all schools getting vouchers to accept all students. Otherwise you end up with all the special needs kids in the public schools that are required to take them and all the high performers in private schools.

And even then you still have the problem of transportation. Only the more well off families have the time and means to get their kids to somewhere that isn't their closest home school.

Unless you require the school to accept vouchers from anyone who wants to go and provide them transportation, you're still going to get inequalities of outcomes.

Re:Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity by stickyricky on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @01:23PM (#36776100)
> Unless you [...] provide them transportation, you're still going to get inequalities of outcomes.

I think you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Rich people buy homes near good schools. Poor people live in homes they can afford next to bad schools. Removing the option for poor parents to drive their kids is not equity. Its damnation.

I live in a state where you can _pay_ (yes not a voucher - you PAY) to attend a school outside your district. I knew several poor families which took advantage. I don't know of a single middle-class family which did the same.

Not a scientific study. But it seems to me totally excluding the possibility of going to a better school is not kindness or progress or equity. Infantilizing poor people who "don't have time to drive" is silly. Some don't but there's always car pooling. When you're desperate you make it work.

Re:Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @01:20PM (#36776051)
> you're still going to get inequalities of outcomes

There is inequality in aptitude with respect to education. Forcing equality of outcomes is a design for crushing cruelty. Some people having good schooling is better than nobody in the name of equity. Pursuit of this policy is undermining public support for state-run schools.

Re:Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity by Aloha on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @01:17PM (#36776005)
The first part of your comment I think is key, we also dont give schools significantly more money for special ed, as we should.
Re:Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity by jasonlotito on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @01:21PM (#36776068)
Transportation is also essential. Why would we accept less going "private"?

As for not giving schools significantly more money for special ed, what is significant in your eyes?

Re:Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity by Aloha on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @02:43PM (#36777360)
I think you can ignore the transportation part, if for no other reason than impracticality - not all districts offer effective or workable transportation now.

I'd suggest that additional funding for special education, on a per student basis could be based on some sort of disability index, whereas the more services they require gets the district more money. Ideally some formula that is a mix of numbers based on local assessments, and weighted to similar districts in size and socioeconomic backgrounds of their residents. Like if a district games the system, the weighting should result in them being brought back into some mean.

Re:Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity by jasonlotito on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @10:04AM (#36786526)
> I think you can ignore the transportation part,

No. Why should I accept less from a private school when the public school already guarantees it? This is incredibly important for special needs students and families.

> I'd suggest that additional funding for special education...

This already happens. In part, it depends on the state and county. Schools get more money for special needs students. I'm fine with them getting more money, but let's not pretend that the school receives the same funding for special-needs and non-special needs students.

Re:Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity by brightball on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @01:49PM (#36776559)
There are also highly specialized schools that focus on special needs kids. Would we end up with more of those? Are the services available in public schools as good as what a specialty school may be able to provide?