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Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by kacy on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @03:22PM (#3676982)
Well, you could legitimately use 2GB by simply purchasing a movie that they discussed in the presentation. A 720p version of "Drive" on iTunes is 3.17GB. Soon it will be upgraded to 1080p, which would be at /least/ 5GB. That's at least $50 in data for one movie, assuming the data plans stay the same.
Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by AntiRush on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @03:51PM (#3677148)
Apple doesn't let you download anything (apps, movies) bigger than 50mb over a cellular connection.
Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by dagw on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @04:59PM (#3677465)
But once you go to 4G, that limitation just doesn't make sense any more. I know several people for whom 4G is the fastest internet connection available to them. Sure you could hack around it by setting up a wifi hotspot on a different 4G device, but still forcing them to use a slower network for larger downloads seems kind of dumb.
Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by bunderbunder on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @05:25PM (#3677576)
Heck, for me 3G is the fastest data available to me.

However, 3G (and 4G) are much more expensive, in terms of the price it costs to transmit a given quantity of data. And compared to glass and copper, the total number of bits available within a given geographic area at any given moment is a fraction as large. Unfortunately, cellular companies failed to realize that offering "unlimited" data plans would set up poor expectations. They (apparently) didn't anticipate seeing a significant percentage of their customers try to use the cellular networks for transferring large quantities of data, and thought that for most people "unlimited" would just be a marketing-friendly euphemism for "a couple hundred megabytes."

In turn, people who assumed that "unlimited" really means unlimited, and assumed that the prices that were originally offered for "unlimited" were realistic prices for high volumes of cellular network usage, now seem to think that the prices that cellular network providers want to charge for data usage are rapacious. On the contrary, it's not that the price they're trying to charge now is disastrously high; it's that the price that they used to be charging was disastrously low.

There's also a serious resource contention issue on cellular data. The towers can only be placed so close together before they start interfering with each other, and the bandwidth that's being advertised is the bandwidth you'll get if you've got the tower to yourself. Chicago's an illustrative story: A company came along offering household internet service through a 4G network, promising impressive bandwidth numbers. And they delivered on them for the few months between when they first opened for business and when they started getting serious traction in the market. Since then, they've earned a reputation as a pretty crappy ISP, simply because the technology itself couldn't deliver quality service to that many users at once. A wireless network cell is effectively a hub, and like on any hub resource contention can be a serious issue.

Which, I suspect, is ultimately why Apple goes along with the file size caps for cellular network transfers: From a user experience perspective, they would much rather allow everyone to transfer small files at high speeds, than let everyone's user experience suffer because the network is being choked by large file transfers.

Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by mgkimsal on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @10:10PM (#3678433)
"They (apparently) didn't anticipate seeing a significant percentage of their customers try to use the cellular networks for transferring large quantities of data, and thought that for most people "unlimited" would just be a marketing-friendly euphemism for "a couple hundred megabytes.""

I wonder if many execs and marketing people at large mobile companies really didn't see this coming, as we had years of 'unlimited texts' being promoted, and an entire generation of people texting thousands of times per day. Did execs get adjusted to 'unlimited' as it applies to texting, and naively assume that 'web' usage wouldn't be significantly different?

I can't really say for sure, but that just struck me as a possibility for why many mobile execs don't seem to 'get it' with respect to mobile data.

Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by dagw on Thursday March 08, 2012 @03:20AM (#3679007)
many mobile execs don't seem to 'get it' with respect to mobile data.

I'm pretty sure they 'get it' just fine, but did the math and carefully worked out exactly how shitty service they can offer at what price without making too many people cancel.

Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by mgkimsal on Thursday March 08, 2012 @08:59AM (#3679700)
Yeah, that's probably close to the truth. I hate being so cynical, but it's probably reality.
Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by ricardobeat on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @07:40PM (#3678073)
> the bandwidth that's being advertised is the bandwidth you'll get if you've got the tower to yourself

not exactly, that's if you've got the sector to yourself. AFAIK one tower has at least 3-12 sectors.

That's why LTE can't replace all of our data connections (for now).

Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by bitops on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @08:18PM (#3678181)
I thought the limit was 20mb?
Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by xelfer on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @08:26PM (#3678210)
They upped it to 50mb today.
Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by samstave on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @03:43PM (#3677100)
Someone needs to do exactly this, then sue the balls off these carriers for such draconian plans and rates.
Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by tedunangst on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @03:46PM (#3677121)
Suing the balls off of someone requires that you have "cause".
Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by jrockway on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @04:55PM (#3677453)
The government allows Verizon and AT&T to use the wireless spectrum with many caveats. One caveat is that they can't royally fuck their customers. This is royally fucking their customers. Hence, cause for a lawsuit is established.
Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by mburns on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @05:04PM (#3677491)
"One caveat is that they can't royally fuck their customers. This is royally fucking their customers."

You can't objectively define what constitutes "royally fuck[ing]" their customers.

Just saying "this cost more than I think is reasonable as a wireless customer" means absolutely nothing in court.

Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by beedogs on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @07:34PM (#3678045)
> One caveat is that they can't royally fuck their customers.

Clearly you do not live in America. We abandoned the concept of consumer protection decades ago.

Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by batista on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @09:23PM (#3678345)
> The government allows Verizon and AT&T to use the wireless spectrum with many caveats. One caveat is that they can't royally fuck their customers. This is royally fucking their customers. Hence, cause for a lawsuit is established.

We have a saying in my country, when a child exhibits some great talent, that we also use ironically when a child does or says something very dumb.

"How can you not send this kid to college?"

I think one of the two intentions applies perfectly to the quoted comment.

Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by noonespecial on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @05:20PM (#3677553)
You need a cause to get to trial and then even more so to win. You don't need one to file the suit, get the attention, and cost them big time to address it. In America you can sue anyone at any time for anything. You don't have to win to win.
Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by incongruity on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @05:18PM (#3677543)
Indeed – but it might well go far in the court of public opinion... that's gotta count for something...
Re:Apple releases Ipad 3 by HeyLaughingBoy on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @04:23PM (#3677318)
Go for it!