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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by whiddershins on Monday July 17, 2023 @07:38PM (#36765656)
Anecdotally people in the EU are much poorer than in the US.

People in the South of France buy one espresso or one beer and nurse it for 2 hours while staring at these ocean.

Bathrooms are smaller and less well appointed. Hotel rooms are smaller. Steaks are smaller. Apartments are smaller. Gasoline is more expensive and cars tend to be cheaper models and smaller.

People just tend to be thriftier. No one has air conditioning. Everyone keeps their houses cold in the winter.

If we are doing anecdotes, I can do this all day. It may not be so obvious if you live in a major city, but a modest income small town American lives like a king compared to a similarly situated resident of the EU.

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by bamboozled on Monday July 17, 2023 @07:41PM (#36765699)
People in the South of France buy one espresso or one beer and nurse it for 2 hours while staring at these ocean.

Downvoted for being ridiculous.

I don't know if you've visited the US but there are plenty of people who eat potato crisps and fast food for dinner because it's cheaper than fresh healthy food and they're not educated enough to know how to get around it.

The inequality in America is wild.

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by ChatGTP on Monday July 17, 2023 @07:45PM (#36765731)
I'd prefer to have access to free healthcare and social safety nets than having espresso.

You clearly haven't been to the US but there are a lot of poor people here.

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by UncleOxidant on Monday July 17, 2023 @07:46PM (#36765740)
A lot of what you mention is related to energy useage: smaller cars/houses, keeping houses cold in winter, less consumption overall. Perhaps the Europeans are on the right track here and we in the US are on the wrong track when taking climate change into consideration?
Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by nonethewiser on Monday July 17, 2023 @09:09PM (#36766482)
As youve identified, energy cuts across everything. It is a very broad indicator of wealth. Energy austerity is still austerity even if you think its better for the environment.
Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by WantonQuantum on Monday July 17, 2023 @07:47PM (#36765754)
Citations needed. Many citations.
Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by SketchySeaBeast on Monday July 17, 2023 @08:02PM (#36765897)
You seem to be confusing wealth with excess. I don't think conspicuous consumption is a virtue.
Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by adev_ on Monday July 17, 2023 @08:17PM (#36766041)
> People in the South of France buy one espresso or one beer and nurse it for 2 hours while staring at the ocean.

This is currently quite hilarious to read.

Give them one million dollar and I can guarantee you they will still drink one expresso facing the sea for 2 hours.

It is just named being French (or Latin) and has nothing to do with wealth

Time is everything in life. In many cultures, being able to spend it doing nothing or something you enjoy is the greatest sign of wealth. Poor people do not have this luxury: they do have to work to survive.

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by blibble on Monday July 17, 2023 @08:18PM (#36766050)
> If we are doing anecdotes, I can do this all day.

meanwhile no-one in Europe dies in medical bankruptcy or has to worry about health insurance premiums/deductibles, or daily mass shootings

I'd rather have a slightly smaller steak

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by detourdog on Monday July 17, 2023 @08:34PM (#36766204)
This is the worst aspect of American politics. Our government represents seriously argue we want the right to be bankrupted by illness.

We had to bail out the auto-industry during 2008 because their competitors existed in public healthcare environments. Nobody talks about it but follow the money.

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by htfu on Monday July 17, 2023 @08:36PM (#36766213)
> Gasoline is more expensive

Because we actually tax it properly

> cars tend to be cheaper models and smaller.

Because cars are less part of the lifestyle and SUVs haven't yet prisoner's dilemma'd us completely.

Your other anecdotes are also basically "not spending unecessarily on stuff that is bad for the climate = poor"...

Here's another factor: Europeans need to save up money for our five week vacations, do you think travel is free or something? Hint: that stuff costs way more to do regularly than AC and a redone bathroom. Pah.