And yet there are actually whingy babies and, and no not all developers were once a whingy baby, in fact only the shit end of the bell curve ever were. Most people I even know at all never were, because it's not an automatic part of merely being new.

There is no value in catering to them, since that generally requires blunt rather than sharp tools, and everyone else requires sharp tools to get actual work done. They can play with their toys, but they are toys thoight up by people who care about the wrong things. Anyone else should ignore and disregard them and their ignorant ideas.

Make is probably not the final evolution of a build sysyem for eternity, merely the arguments given for python of all the ridiculous possibilities, have all been garbage so far.

Now if a proposition included some sort of canonical flavor of python (or whatever language) that can be counted on to:

- exist on any system, and "any system" does not mean "any linux intall from today forward"

- could at least be added to any system if not already, ie, plain c source that compiles even on obscure old systems, or built out of something else equally ubiquitous like shell or awk.

- single simple binary

- all features included (no libraries of plugins and modules)

- spec advances only slowly and thoughtufully and without breaking compatibility

Make already exists, meets all of these points, and provides the means to express complex jobs or simple jobs without any special built-in magic support for any one language or framework of the month, especially not at the expense of any others.

Although, even a mythical "canonical python subset" would be a strange thing to propose with it's meaninful whitespace, when one of the main complaints about make is the tabs.