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Re:Nobody cares about your blog by ozim on Sunday July 16, 2023 @05:33AM (#36745112)
Looks like a lot of people read first list, got triggered started writing comment and did not think about full scope of the text.
Re:Nobody cares about your blog by lapcat on Sunday July 16, 2023 @06:44AM (#36745447)
> Looks like a lot of people read first list, got triggered started writing comment and did not think about full scope of the text.

In other words... nobody cares about your blog. ;-)

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by haswell on Sunday July 16, 2023 @08:51AM (#36746428)
If they’re triggered and writing angrily, they care.

They just care about it for the wrong reasons.

Reasons that can be eliminated by adapting the structure of the content to a modern audience.

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by lapcat on Sunday July 16, 2023 @09:02AM (#36746543)
> If they’re triggered and writing angrily, they care.

They may care about the subject matter of the blog post, but they don't care about the blog post, which is just an excuse for them to rant about the subject matter.

> Reasons that can be eliminated by adapting the structure of the content to a modern audience.

c/modern/lazy

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by haswell on Sunday July 16, 2023 @09:51AM (#36746991)
> they don't care about the blog post, which is just an excuse for them to rant about the subject matter

This kind of framing/sweeping generalization doesn’t make sense to me. There will always be people who will rant for the sake of ranting, but this isn’t universal, nor should it be the base assumption about a reader/commentor.

> c/modern/lazy

This carries the problematic generalization further. The modern media environment has drastically impacted people’s attention span.

There are plenty of critical things to be said about the effects of this trend, but painting this as just a matter of laziness misses the bigger picture.

Especially important if you want to create content that encourages people to cultivate attention and stop consuming attention-destroying content.

Writing for a “modern” audience isn’t about catering to lazy people, but recognizing what people are up against in an information landscape that increasingly churns out bad information, making it necessary as a reader to assess the content quickly enough to know if it’s time to move on, because there isn’t enough time or attention in a day to give every post a full read.

I’m not saying lazy readers don’t exist, but that’s not why I think it’s useful to think about content structure.

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by lapcat on Sunday July 16, 2023 @10:02AM (#36747104)
My comment "In other words... nobody cares about your blog. ;-)" was intended to be joke, with the wink emoticon, riffing on the title of the blog post. It wasn't intended as a serious sweeping generalization.

Nonetheless, many good jokes have a grain of truth. Such commenters who rant for the sake of ranting obviously do exist, as you admit, and they are pervasive.

> making it necessary as a reader to assess the content quickly enough to know if it’s time to move on, because there isn’t enough time or attention in a day to give every post a full read.

It's interesting that you said "move on" rather than "comment", which is precisely the distinction I discussed in another comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36746673 Moving on is fine. The problem is staying and commenting without reading carefully.

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by ozim on Sunday July 16, 2023 @05:51PM (#36751754)
That is interesting take.

But I still don’t understand how come people feel like it is worth to spend time writing comment on something they don’t have time to read through.

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by bjornasm on Sunday July 16, 2023 @07:25PM (#36752434)
You don't understand how people rather want to read some short comments and share their thoughts than to spend a lot more time reading a long blogpost?
Re:Nobody cares about your blog by ozim on Monday July 17, 2023 @02:36AM (#36754834)
Yes, blogpost we discuss here isn’t even that long. For any meaningful discussion there is context required. Writing out thoughts without context might be funny or might be silly but that is disrespectful to everyone.
Re:Nobody cares about your blog by haswell on Monday July 17, 2023 @02:33PM (#36762132)
I also don’t fully accept the premise that not reading is why people are commenting critically.

Personally, I read the whole thing, kinda scratched my head about the framing of it all, and came here to find what apparently seemed like agreement with my reaction.

It became more clear what the author was going for when he clarified, and in that light, the post makes more sense.

But I think someone lacking that context or familiarity with the author’s style and taking the content a bit too literally at first (like me) is another source of the critical commentary.

Things got a bit off track when this became a thread about people refusing to read, or lacking comprehension. From my perspective there are two ways to read it, and I think this pretty much guarantees some confusion.

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by MichaelRo on Sunday July 16, 2023 @07:49AM (#36745929)
Not really, it's a feature of modern times.

A long long time ago, before the Internet and the wide availability of electronic content, I used to read books and would even send physical letters.

Once I entered the corporate world and email, I had people telling me that I have to change my writing style. Pre-modern world and me included would use what I would call the "epistolary" style (long, detailed text). I was taught it by the literature I read or enforced in school by the style of writing I was expected to write. Essentially a bottom-up approach where you start with the premises and gradually build up your conclusion, presented at the end of the "novel".

Well problem's in the modern world nobody has the time to read your novel. I think reformulating "Nobody cares about your blog" to "Nobody has time to read your novel" would be closer to the truth.

It's not that people don't read novels anymore, it's that the quantity of content has increased 100x. Literally there's no time to go in depth over each and every wall of text you are confronted with.

So better adjust your writing style to modernity and use a top-down approach. Start with the conclusion and gradually build up the premises that led you there. Some people might read the whole content if it captures their interest but 99% will just read your summary and skim through the high level part of your content (assuming you stick to the top-down, so it gradually breaks into more and more complex parts).

I'd say there's nothing wrong with the approach and gotta keep up with the times we're living.

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by lapcat on Sunday July 16, 2023 @08:23AM (#36746178)
> Some people might read the whole content if it captures their interest but 99% will just read your summary and skim through the high level part of your content

If people don't want to read everything you wrote, that's not inherently a problem.

The problem is that people want to comment on things they haven't read, and that's a problem the writer can't solve. Lazy, superficial commenters are a pox on all writing, and the internet has enabled them. It's a feature of modern times because the internet has given superficial, super lazy commenters a platform they never had before. Anyone in the world can sign up for a social media platform and start spewing text with practically no effort or ability.

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by beebeepka on Sunday July 16, 2023 @09:12AM (#36746628)
This reads like a cheap shot at people don't have the patience to deal with walls of text that can be summarised in a couple of well constructed sentences.

Long form speakers often do so to obfuscate the content. It's a hiding place.

The only long form I read is fiction.

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by lapcat on Sunday July 16, 2023 @09:17AM (#36746673)
> This reads like a cheap shot at people don't have the patience to deal with walls of text that can be summarised in a couple of well constructed sentences.

No, it's a criticism of people who make cheap shots in comments.

Again, if one doesn't have the patience for reading something, that's fine. But just walk away from the article, don't proceed to comment on something one doesn't have the patience to read. That's a disservice both to the author and to the people who did read the text.

"There's too much stuff to read on the internet" is a reason to walk away. It's not a good reason to stick around and comment.

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by briHass on Sunday July 16, 2023 @08:45AM (#36746363)
I had a similar awakening as I got older. Mine was mostly driven by reading non-fiction books, where the author drags a concept that could be adaquitly explained in 10 pages into a 350 page book. It just feels disrespectful of the reader: learn how to make your point in the fewest words possible.
Re:Nobody cares about your blog by njroute22 on Sunday July 16, 2023 @09:59AM (#36747072)
Compared to a few decades ago, far fewer people "contemplate" issues - and instead immediately go into "knee-jerk reaction" mode. Gone is the subtle art of "thinking things over."

Sure - times have changed - but not necessarily for the better.

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by jauntywundrkind on Sunday July 16, 2023 @10:28AM (#36747391)
Another "con" against the blog then: there'll be people who only flash scan the blog then pick out a bunch of fairly incorrect conclusions they jump to without considering. Which supposedly is a wide number of time starved people in the world.

And the "pro": you don't care what modern times are like. This is a blog. You get to pick who you write for. If time-short people who only want maximally-concise hand_holding business text are not your target, that's fine. You get to pick how you want to write. You can pick to ensure only better classes of readers.

Re:Nobody cares about your blog by jasonlotito on Sunday July 16, 2023 @10:04AM (#36747127)
Lack of any comprehension. It’s amazing. It’s a good reminder that most people commenting here read the headline, and react, rather than put any thought into what was written. They believe that because they “read the comments first” or are posting here is indicative of their intelligence.

Shameful.