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Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by ben_w on Saturday July 15, 2023 @12:13PM (#36738194)
> I assume the UK had some equivalent to the 90s crypto wars in the US where attempts to weaken and backdoor crypto by legal means were pretty decisively defeated.

I'm thinking of the fact that GCHQ invented RSA in 1973, four years before Ron Rivest, Adi Shamir and Leonard Adleman publicly described the same system, and only got around to declassifying this in 1997.

Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by throw0101a on Saturday July 15, 2023 @12:29PM (#36738417)
For the record, GCHQ created RSA in 1973 and then DH in 1974:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography#Histor...

DH qua DH was invented in 1976, and RSA qua RSA in 1977.

Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by Sai_ on Saturday July 15, 2023 @12:51PM (#36738712)
What does qua mean here?
Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by throw0101a on Saturday July 15, 2023 @01:19PM (#36739012)
There is "RSA" as implemented by GCHQ in 1973, and there is "RSA" as RSA like we generally know it by the three folks that it was named after. There is "DH" as implemented by GCHQ in 1974, and there is "DH" as DH like we generally know by the two folks that it was named after.

The concept "x" as we (generally) know x is what qua means. (Because words can mean and point to potentially many concepts.)

Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by yuliyp on Saturday July 15, 2023 @01:17PM (#36738988)
I'm assuming "by": as in those algorithms were created by the people whose names are now associated with them in those years
Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by hkt on Saturday July 15, 2023 @01:22PM (#36739045)
"as"

He means DH, as in Diffie Hellman, was not the first approach to key exchange. The difference is that in the UK we did what we usually do: we squandered an amazing innovation and let some other country benefit from it.

Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by bpye on Saturday July 15, 2023 @03:34PM (#36740199)
I do wonder what the capabilities of GCHQ are today - I guess it’ll be interesting to see in 50 years or whenever it is assuming it gets declassified…
Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by Canada on Saturday July 15, 2023 @12:26PM (#36738377)
Did it really invent RSA, such that there was any actual capability of performing asymmetric encryption or signatures?

I thought it was more like, one guy there had a pretty good idea that it was possible that he wrote about, but never developed it into anything practical.

Am I mistaken, and the whole working system was described?

Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by throw0101a on Saturday July 15, 2023 @12:31PM (#36738438)
A PDF scan of the paper is now available, so you can judge for yourself:

* https://web.archive.org/web/20180928121748/https://www.gchq....

IANAM (mathematician), but the formulae look RSA-like, though given the compute at the time, it may have been (too) expensive to try implementing.

Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by derefr on Saturday July 15, 2023 @12:50PM (#36738699)
The "pretty good idea" (Ellis' "non-secret encryption") was published about in 1969. Clifford Cocks found a workable algorithm for it — using prime factorization as the trapdoor function — in 1973. No cryptosystem was ever developed around the idea, by Cocks or GCHQ in general; they just sat on it as a classified secret. Then, in 1977, RSA was independently invented and published as both an algorithm and a full cryptosystem.

I would definitely say that Cocks and RSA both independently discovered what we refer to as the RSA algorithm. We should maybe call it the Cocks–RSA algorithm.

Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by frabbit on Saturday July 15, 2023 @08:43PM (#36742314)
There is no provable claim by GCHQ for any of this. They are professionally liars and deceivers. The first public, peer-reviewed publishers are the ones that get the credit. GCHQ claims are just unproven British government propaganda from people that have agreed on record that they will lie, deceive and hide the truth.
Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by ben_w on Sunday July 16, 2023 @08:50AM (#36746425)
It's certainly conceivable this claim was made by them just an attempt to look good.

If so it was an inept attempt, not that "inept" rules it out.

But I do generally assume that when organisations point at their mistakes, its not a failed attempt to look good.