I think you've missed the part where they have already won. Drones are now legal and the police are completely militarized in every major city.

Stay tuned during the RNC and DNC conventions this year to watch why it's too late as congress has voted hundreds of millions of dollars for their own security budgets during the conventions so that protesters can be surpressed as quickly and quietly as possible.

We'll never have more rights than we have right now, it's all downhill.

> We'll never have more rights than we have right now, it's all downhill.

I really dislike this rhetoric. There has always been a certain levels of "bad" in the world that swing like the pendulum. It's not constantly descending into oblivion. Try to see the good in the world.

That there is good generally in the world, one cannot entirely dispute the fact that since at least when Nixon signed the Banking Secrecy Act, we have been largely in a state of freefall regarding 4th Amendment rights.

I don't see it as a case where there is no hope however. Read all three opinions in United States v. Antoin Jones (the GPS surveillance case). Not only did the Supreme Court unanimously buck previous cases to say that this was a 4th Am search, but a clear majority (the Alito and Sotomayor opinions, remember Alito was joined by Breyer, Kagan, and Ginsberg) expressed concern about the rise of a surveillance state. We may be getting to the point where the court is starting to push back big time.

I trie to see the positv and often find it in alot of contries but the USA is basiclly all down hill.

There was a time when we didn't have the right to drink alcohol, or marry people who were colored too differently.

We do fix some stuff eventually.

Those changes weren't detrimental to the wealth of congresspeople.

You have no idea how bad it was. Look up the Alien and Sedition Acts, or the McCarthy Era.

Seems like a difference in kind and not degree.

Go back to FDR, what they did then was some scary stuff

http://www.amazon.com/FDR-Goes-War-Executive-Restricted/dp/1...