Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by rini17 on Saturday July 15, 2023 @04:35AM
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Stone does weather too. It either needs uninterrupted dry climate (not really possible for millions of years) or being placed inside a stable geological formation (we don't usually build that way).
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by cubefox on Saturday July 15, 2023 @05:06AM
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I'd bet stone weathers many orders of magnitude less than dinosaur bones.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by JumpCrisscross on Saturday July 15, 2023 @07:29AM
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Fossils are stone. The porous bone that housed the minerals are long gone by the time we find them.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by cubefox on Saturday July 15, 2023 @08:36AM
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We are talking about actual bones in living animals though, and those surely fossilize (preserve over eons) much more rarely than many civilizational artifacts.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by JumpCrisscross on Saturday July 15, 2023 @10:22AM
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> those surely fossilize (preserve over eons) much more rarely than many civilizational artifacts
They wouldn’t fossilise. That’s specific to the porosity of organic tissue. They might be preserved, but the Cambridge paper explains why it’s unlikely they would last for a hundred millennia or more.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by cubefox on Saturday July 15, 2023 @11:29AM
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But surely it is much more unlikely that animal bones would last for a hundred millennia.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by JumpCrisscross on Saturday July 15, 2023 @01:11PM
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> surely it is much more unlikely that animal bones would last for a hundred millennia
Why? The Cambridge paper gives a scientist’s reasons for that not being the case being supposition.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by cubefox on Saturday July 15, 2023 @08:50PM
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Because processed stones are much more massive than bones, which mostly rot away quite quickly.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by rini17 on Sunday July 16, 2023 @02:58AM
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Mass does not matter. Tungsten metal is heftier that the stone and it rots regardless.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by cubefox on Sunday July 16, 2023 @09:38AM
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Let's say durable then.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by withinboredom on Saturday July 15, 2023 @04:57AM
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Man, I’ve been in castles that are less than a thousand years old that are barely recognizable. Machu pichu is a good one as well.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by inglor_cz on Saturday July 15, 2023 @02:43PM
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Castles that stay above ground, yes, but there likely would be some buried structures, too.
Pompeii looked remarkably fresh when dug out.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by withinboredom on Saturday July 15, 2023 @04:03PM
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Pompeii was literally buried in a matter of hours, so that’s kind of a unique case. Any underground structures would be turned into a cave from water seeping in. Most people don’t dig into the side of caves, so it’s likely we’d never know. A great example is the millennium old water passages in Afghanistan. You can’t tell they are man made any more.
The point stands, most things don’t survive all that long (in the grand scheme of things). Occasionally, the conditions are exactly right to preserve something, but there is a limit.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by cubefox on Saturday July 15, 2023 @08:52PM
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Structures / cities might also get buried within a few hundred years due to overgrowth.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by datavirtue on Saturday July 15, 2023 @04:31PM
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Sufficient sized meteorite impact would melt the entire surface of the planet.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by jiggawatts on Saturday July 15, 2023 @06:59PM
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That did happen — the Moon is theorised to have formed from the ejecta of a planet-sized impactor.
However, that happened very early in the history of the solar system, likely before life had a chance to start.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by K0balt on Saturday July 15, 2023 @09:14AM
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On the timescale we are looking at coastal areas are completely destroyed or created and substantial destruction and renewal of crust occurs. No guarantee of anything being found at all.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by cubefox on Saturday July 15, 2023 @09:53AM
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Dinosaur fossils also didn't have a guarantee of being found. It's all in the probability.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ...
by K0balt on Sunday July 16, 2023 @12:17PM
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If you flip a fair coin 1000 times I guarantee it comes up heads at least once. If you set a cup on a table I guarantee it won’t pass through the table, even though both the glass and the table are mostly empty space.
Those things also are all in the probability.
Dinosaurs presumably fossilize very badly compared to many artificial artifacts, like buildings made out of machined stone.