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Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ... by jl6 on Saturday July 15, 2023 @03:21AM (#36734409)
All the possibilities seem extremely unlikely, but I’ll add one more just for fun:

We currently equate “advanced civilization” with “large scale”. But what if there was a small-scale advanced civilization? Small enough to evade detection using the crude geological tools at our disposal.

Imagine a species that was both intelligent (like humans) and immortal (like jellyfish). With unbounded lifespans, they could do work that would take millions of humans - just over a much longer period of time. With no urgent need to reproduce, their population could stay small. Perhaps with long life comes enough accumulated wisdom to exercise restraint. They might even marvel at how a mortal species could ever achieve civilization when knowledge has to be re-learned by every generation.

Over millions of years of slow civilization they might have achieved great sophistication and advanced technology, concentrated in one small region that we either haven’t found yet, or which has been subsumed beneath ocean or tectonic plate.

Perhaps a changing climate forced them to leave Earth, or to hibernate somewhere, peeking out every few million years to see if the conditions are right for their return.

Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ... by fatuna on Saturday July 15, 2023 @03:41AM (#36734506)
How would an immortal society evolve though? Both biologically and socially. If they are anything like humans, you need the old generation to die for new knowledge to take hold.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ... by jl6 on Saturday July 15, 2023 @04:05AM (#36734637)
Humans haven’t significantly evolved over the time it took for civilization to emerge. Humans evolve socially as they get older. Who can say what the psyche of such an alien species would be? Maybe we can add “willing to consider new ideas” to the list of assumptions that would have to be true for this scenario to play out.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ... by dr_dshiv on Saturday July 15, 2023 @03:25AM (#36734420)
No benefit of scale or consumer society; without that, seems hard to get to chip fabs? But maybe writing and some machines?
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ... by jl6 on Saturday July 15, 2023 @04:07AM (#36734648)
They might have scale, but over time rather than distance.
Re:Could an Industrial Civilization Have Predated Humans on ... by dr_dshiv on Saturday July 15, 2023 @07:15AM (#36735524)
But that doesn’t lead to the efficiency of mass production, specialized labor, Moore’s law, etc.