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Re:Tor is not just for anonymity by aaomidi on Saturday July 15, 2023 @01:37AM (#36733896)
Also keep in mind TLS leaks what website you’re connecting to using SNI.
Re:Tor is not just for anonymity by sedatk on Saturday July 15, 2023 @02:24AM (#36734131)
Re:Tor is not just for anonymity by jeroenhd on Saturday July 15, 2023 @04:56AM (#36734919)
Does anything even support ECH yet? It's still in a draft stage and all I see when it comes to normal web servere is low priority feature request issues that have been open for a few years.

I've checked Apache, nginx, and Caddy, but all of them have open issues. Chrome has the feature locked behind a flag and so does Firefox.

When it finally comes out, ECH will be great, but for now it's practically useless.

Re:Tor is not just for anonymity by vbezhenar on Saturday July 15, 2023 @05:11AM (#36734988)
I'm not sure it'll be great. Right now censors can selectively block offending websites. With ECH they'd just block entire CDNs so large chunks of Internet will become inaccessible.

At this point it's obvious that censorship in the Internet is inevitable. So I'd prefer to reduce blast radius.

Re:Tor is not just for anonymity by hiatus on Saturday July 15, 2023 @09:02AM (#36736293)
If right now censors can already block entire CDNs, how would things change?
Re:Tor is not just for anonymity by vbezhenar on Saturday July 15, 2023 @10:38AM (#36737195)
They don’t do that. They have a list of URLs to block. HTTPS and HSTS already turns that list into a list of domains, so instead of single article, entire Wikipedia would have been blocked. Encrypting domain would turn that list into a list of IP addresses.
Re:Tor is not just for anonymity by aaomidi on Saturday July 15, 2023 @07:23PM (#36741852)
The increase in cost of blocking is exactly one of the reasons it’s useful.

Blocking the web isn’t an economical choice and shitty countries know that.

Re:Tor is not just for anonymity by vbezhenar on Sunday July 16, 2023 @06:34AM (#36745388)
I used to think this way, but at this point I think they don't care. Bureaucracy trumps over anything. Court decided to block some URL and internet providers will block everything they have, otherwise they'll be fined for not executing court decision. And nobody cares about economic choices. Law is law and that's about it.
Re:Tor is not just for anonymity by aaomidi on Sunday July 16, 2023 @04:49PM (#36751266)
I mean - yes they do.

Iran would keep the internet blocked to the level they had during the height of the protests if no one cared about economics. They don’t because it actually costs everyone.

During times of tension (e.g the protests) the cost becomes worth it.

Re:Tor is not just for anonymity by sedatk on Sunday July 16, 2023 @02:59PM (#36750327)
> ith ECH they'd just block entire CDNs so large chunks of Internet will become inaccessible

They would've effectively made Internet inaccessible. That has political consequences, and they would have to live with that, or revise their policies around content censorship such as finding a common ground with content providers so there would be no need to block the web site.

Re:Tor is not just for anonymity by aaomidi on Saturday July 15, 2023 @07:22PM (#36741842)
Yeah except nothing supports it