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Re:S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are... by lotsoweiners on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:33PM (#36732253)
Of course I would. My trip would be 2 minutes each way instead of 20, I wouldn’t be considered about weather, and I’m far less limited in what I can purchase on this trip.

Now sure if I want to spend a nice leisurely Saturday afternoon riding a back then maybe I’d take a bike but that would make my intent the bike ride rather than shopping.

Re:S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are... by guitarbill on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:48PM (#36732373)
Until everybody insists like you on driving. Because of the increased traffic, it now takes longer. Not to mention trying to find parking. And with the extra traffic, it's dangerous to bike now. Oh well.
Re:S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are... by seanmcdirmid on Friday July 14, 2023 @10:03PM (#36732445)
It depends on the density. If it is a desirable place to live, that will definitely happen. If it isn't, you can still drive and more people won't necessarily join you in driving. The secret is to just live in a so-so place.
Re:S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are... by estebank on Saturday July 15, 2023 @05:37AM (#36735108)
This conversation always goes:

- "there should be fewer cars in cities"

- "I need my car in my rural area, there's no-one close by"

- 200 pages of back and forth talking over each other

If you're not in a city or city adjacent, any infraatructure change won't affect you at all.

Re:S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are... by InSteady on Friday July 14, 2023 @10:44PM (#36732683)
Since we're talking about e-bikes, more and more of them can maintain 20 mph with or without pedal assist and some can get up to 27 mph with pedal assist. But either way, you'd have to be a snail-pace rider for a 2-minute car ride to take you 20 on a bike, unless you are like 1 block from a freeway that doesn't get backed up routinely and has an exit near your destination.

Nothing wrong with snail paced riding of course. But going fast is pretty damn fun in a city with decent infrastructure that makes it reasonably safe. I routinely keep pace or beat traffic on shorter trips on my road bike. It's not really that hard to maintain 18mph if you do a lot of riding and have a moderately well-maintained bike (mine isn't even nice lol, it was like $400 used and is almost 50 years old, with a few choice part upgrades). And a lot of city traffic is stuck at that speed or lower during congestion hours in many areas. Granted, I'm closer to 12 mph on the trip home if I'm hauling several days worth of groceries.

Re:S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are... by estebank on Saturday July 15, 2023 @05:40AM (#36735118)
For reference, my commute within SF used to take me 45 minutes due to traffic by car. On my bike it was 50. Include finding parking and it was a wash. By bus+wall it took about the same. I didn't drive. If the bus was faster (because it didn't get stuck on traffic), I would have used it exclusively.