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Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by walleeee on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:50AM (#36723216)
Look up Simon Michaux's work on what a full electric transition entails. Yes, we should electrify where possible and massively reduce oil use. But there is no future in which we simply substitute electric vehicles for ICEs and carry on as usual otherwise. Barring some massively transformative technology like cost-effective fusion, we are in for an energy hangover of ominous proportions
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Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by enragedcacti on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:06AM (#36723409)
Even California's 2035 ICE ban is only for light-duty passenger cars, pickup trucks, and SUVs. As far as I can tell everyone working in the space already understand how much medium/heavy-duty ICE vehicles are contributing to building out green infrastructure and that they are going to be a given for the immediate future.

I don't know much about Simon Michaux but if he is claiming that current regulations are targeting a full electric transition then it seems like he's fighting ghosts.

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Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by walleeee on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:31AM (#36723762)
Read his work :)
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Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by slashdev on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:57AM (#36723304)
We don’t use rare earths in batteries. All the big manufacturers are moving from using nickel and cobalt to cheaper materials. There is tons of lithium on earth, that won’t be an issue, especially once we start recycling the batteries as well.

Electric motors often use some rare earths, but manufacturers are also reducing or eliminating those.

We will make the transition. People will not simply curtail their consumption of transportation. The ICE has no future.

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Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by Tade0 on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:55AM (#36723276)
> Rare earths are too valuable to waste on another few decades of Cybertruck-style profligacy for the richest 1% of the planet

You don't need rare-earths for batteries or motors.

You also don't actually need cobalt either.

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Re:Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream by slashdev on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:45AM (#36723961)
You’re being downvoted, but you’re correct. Tesla is phasing out both rare earths from their motors and cobalt and nickel from their batteries. Other manufacturers are doing similar.
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