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Re:Guam: The America That Americans Forget by sreejithr on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:06PM (#36718211)
I don’t understand. By your logic, if Russia had defeated Ukraine, then it would’ve been fair and normal?

Islanders had their land taken from them and still don’t have it (just like natives). How is this different from Russia taking Ukraine’s land?

Re:Guam: The America That Americans Forget by WeylandYutani on Friday July 14, 2023 @04:27AM (#36720971)
Yes. Unfortunately we live in a world where might makes right.

If Russia had kicked Ukraine's ass what do you think would have happened? NATO declaring war? Remember that Putin got away with Crimea in 2014.You only have sovereignty if you can defend it.

Fairness doesn't come into it.

Re:Guam: The America That Americans Forget by ericmay on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:48AM (#36723178)
Well that was your logic. I was pointing out that:

> How is this different from Russia taking Ukraine’s land?

Hasn’t happened yet (in the context of the 2022 invasion - aware of previous annexation). And bigger, more powerful countries like the United States are helping Ukraine stop Russia from doing so.

But since this is ongoing we can say “hey that’s wrong!” And do something about it. Not much we can do (though there is some) about events hundreds of years old.

So it’s normal because it has occurred through your history, and also possible for us to stop today, hence we are. If you want to really dig into the whole might makes right thing (and at the nation state level it does) then the US is the mightiest and is stopping Russia from taking from Ukraine.