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Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by patapong on Thursday July 13, 2023 @01:40PM (#36713069)
Some people like to express themselves via posting videos to tiktok. If the government bans tiktok, these people are no longer able to express themselves in this manner, i.e. their freedom of speech has been limited.

Likewise, as a consumer of content, you no longer have access to the opinions posted to tiktok if it is banned. This may limit your ability to be exposed to certain ideas.

Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Thursday July 13, 2023 @01:41PM (#36713078)
Should I be allowed to express myself by firing bullets into the air?
Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by cheriot on Thursday July 13, 2023 @01:44PM (#36713146)
Is it abridging my free speech when the city I live in bans billboards? I can no long speak by building a billboard on my land.

I can post/view short videos to Instagram, Snapchat, Pinterest, among others. I don't see how any one platform embodies my ability to speak.

Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by patapong on Thursday July 13, 2023 @01:55PM (#36713340)
I am not sure. Billboards are mostly used for ads, so that seems less relevant from a freedom of speech view. But if billboards were systematically used to share political ideas and criticize the government, and as a response the government decided to ban them, that may be an issue.

It is also notable that the other firms you mention are American, and thus may embody a certain viewpoint and culture.

Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by cheriot on Thursday July 13, 2023 @02:05PM (#36713528)
I picked some that are popular in the US because they're alternatives to TikTok.

I find it hard to believe that a single medium like billboards or an app like TikTok is such a unique thing that it's a burden on people to communicate without them.

Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by patapong on Thursday July 13, 2023 @02:32PM (#36713962)
I see your point. But I do not think the burden to use alternatives matter - the fact is that people are using tiktok to express themselves in a protected manner, which means that restricting it is a free speech issue. Further, the tools and moderation policies of tiktok are different enough that there may not be a viable alternative to discuss certain ideas in certain ways.

Otherwise, one might argue that the government can ban specific newspapers as there are other newspapers where journalists can publish, or that the government can cab paper newspapers since people can publish online.

Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Thursday July 13, 2023 @02:14PM (#36713669)
Remove emotional bait from the conversation and it makes even more sense:

Can the government ban harmful foreign products?

Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by jasonlotito on Thursday July 13, 2023 @01:55PM (#36713348)
> Is it abridging my free speech when the city I live in bans billboards?

I think so. That is something that is actively being discussed. One could make the argument for that and bring it to court.

Why are you okay with the government preventing you from putting a sign up on your property?

Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by cheriot on Thursday July 13, 2023 @01:59PM (#36713437)
I don't really care about billboards, but they are already banned by states and municipalities.
Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by jasonlotito on Thursday July 13, 2023 @02:02PM (#36713474)
> I don't really care

That tracks.

> they are already banned by states and municipalities.

Which means nothing to your argument in support of the government denying you your first amendment rights.

Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by cheriot on Thursday July 13, 2023 @02:14PM (#36713674)
I've actually gotten a decent number of responses and yours is the only insult so far. Not too shabby for the internet.

The law is heavily based on precedent. Seems like a big difference between speech and a specific communication mechanism.

Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by pessimizer on Thursday July 13, 2023 @03:17PM (#36714602)
If you offer what you care about as a subject for discussion (when nobody asked), you can't play the victim when people acknowledge it.
Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by jasonlotito on Friday July 14, 2023 @10:39AM (#36724636)
> yours is the only insult so far

What insult?

> The law is heavily based on precedent.

Yes, and that precedent is on my side.

You admit your ignorance, but when people who aren't ignorant contradict your assertions, you double down on your ignorance and consistently move the goal posts.

At the end of the day, you are arguing in support of violations of the first amendment. If you find that declaration insulting, reevaluate why you insist your ignorance is the right approach.

Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by beowulfey on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:04PM (#36718199)
I take it you’re not really one for HOAs.
Re:TikTok ban bill in US faces changes after ByteDance spent... by jasonlotito on Friday July 14, 2023 @10:42AM (#36724682)
Correct.

That being said, I'm also open to other people giving up that right and signing onto an HOA.

However, you have to have that right in the first place to give it up.