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Re:Why the Raspberry Pi will save the UK by dasil003 on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @06:08AM (#3670487)
I'd be curious about City vs Wall Street salaries for engineers. Even in the US they are paid more than the vast majority of other programmers. I wouldn't be so proud of the financial sector paying engineers fair wages, because the bottom line is it's crumbs to them. They are skimming more cream off the economy without producing anything tangible than anyone else, so they can afford to pay above market to the privileged few. It's not a scalable model for increasing average salaries though.

The UK (and Europe) really needs to figure that out. I was able to move to London because I was moving from SV and I got a cost of living increase on top of my US market salary. If I was born here and forced to accept London market salaries I would be looking for my ticket out of here ASAP. As technology and mobility increases it's going to be increasingly important to economies to retain talent, something which I believe is obscured for the super rich who make money by arbitrage highly abstracted from the value in the base economy.

Re:Why the Raspberry Pi will save the UK by gaius on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @06:15AM (#3670503)
It's not "above market"; that's the point. Why shouldn't engineers be paid as well as doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc? What The City pays is what all should pay.

Engineering died in the UK because the management class can't tell the difference between a professional mechanical engineer and a car mechanic (not that the latter isn't a skilled worker). In the rest of the world "Engineer" is a meaningful, exclusive title.

Re:Why the Raspberry Pi will save the UK by rmc on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @06:58AM (#3670620)
Yep, reminds me of a great quote: "If you're having trouble hiring, you are by definition offering below market rates".
Re:Why the Raspberry Pi will save the UK by yummyfajitas on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @08:08AM (#3670802)
Which is true in a perfectly efficient market, with perfect information, interchangeable commodities, low search costs.

Many people complaining about hiring trouble are complaining about high search cost.

Re:Why the Raspberry Pi will save the UK by rmc on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @08:51AM (#3670948)
Most software companies that hire now could solve their problem by offering more money. More people will hear about your job the more above average your pay is. The higher your pay above average is, the easier it is to entice people to move (i.e. you widen your pool of potential people to include people who already have a job). If you pay more, you can make up for any disadvantages in your workplace, from boring dull work, to "you're not a sexy workplace like Google".

The lesson is that companies are strugglying because they aren't offering enough money. Ergo, if you offer more money, you struggle less.

Re:Why the Raspberry Pi will save the UK by dasil003 on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @07:18AM (#3670671)
Market rates are not what people "should" be paid. It's what they are paid.
Re:Why the Raspberry Pi will save the UK by ig1 on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @06:25AM (#3670543)
How is a consumer web product any more tangible than a financial services web product ?
Re:Why the Raspberry Pi will save the UK by dasil003 on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @07:29AM (#3670705)
If you're building e-trade that's tangible, but the majority of engineers in finance are building internal tools to assist in finding arbitrage opportunities for the firms they work for.
Re:Why the Raspberry Pi will save the UK by ig1 on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @08:24AM (#3670855)
I don't think you realize how complex the software in the financial industry is. Finance is probably the second most software driven industry in the world after the software industry itself.

Only a tiny percentage of developers in the financial world are working on arbitrage, the average bank probably has more developers working on compliance software than arbitrage software. A vast majority of software development work at most banks is infrastructure (integration between systems, data feeds, settlement, etc.) which supports the day-to-day operations.

Re:Why the Raspberry Pi will save the UK by dasil003 on Tuesday March 06, 2012 @08:49AM (#3670941)
You're right, I'm painting with too wide a brush. My main problem is with investment banks who make the profits while the taxpayers take the risk. It really has nothing to do with tangible or not.