Portland had Henry weinhard's at the time, and I believe toward the late'80s at least that Sam Adams existed, and was actually a real microbrewery still at that time. And we could also add Rolling Rock and Yuengling in Pennsylvania to that as well. both also srill around. They're also some candidates that I think those familiar with question my taste as microbreweries, but they were alternatives, like Rainier up in vancouver Wa.