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Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by axlee on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:40PM (#36683514)
We started seeing reports about in GSC early July. We are in the yellow, but and biggest culprits for blocking time are...Google Tag Manager, GAds and GAnalytics. So yeah, thanks Google, can't wait to lose on SEO due to your own products. And also, thanks for releasing this without the proper analysis tooling. (https://web.dev/debug-performance-in-the-field/#inp this is not tooling)
Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by devmor on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:54PM (#36683747)
>We are in the yellow, but and biggest culprits for blocking time are...Google Tag Manager, GAds and GAnalytics.

This has been the case for over a decade with Google's "Lighthouse" analysis tool as well. I used to use it as part of a site analysis suite for my clients - a good portion of the time, my smaller clients would end up deciding to replace Google Analytics entirely with a different product because of it.

Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by askura on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:57PM (#36683791)
With SEO it's entirely the case of Google being Google and just doing whatever they fancy. Core changes aren't often to the benefit of the scene these days. The little space that isn't paid ads is often useless these days.

I don't think the generative AI results they're going to do will be much better either.

Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by boredumb on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @02:20PM (#36685135)
Yes a lot of analytics use cases for smaller clients boil down to a server report of page requests. Obviously with google ads you're using it to monetize so that's a different story, but the client side analytics that google provide are bloated and usually overkill for most sites.
Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by magicalist on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @02:24PM (#36685194)
> > We are in the yellow, but and biggest culprits for blocking time are...Google Tag Manager, GAds and GAnalytics.

> ...a good portion of the time, my smaller clients would end up deciding to replace Google Analytics entirely with a different product because of it.

This seems like a good outcome, then? Market pressure may be the only way to get Google analytics to finally cut their footprint.

Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by greatNespresso on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @04:51PM (#36687041)
If they can't give up Google Analytics or Google Ads, but still want the perf, give Cloudflare Zaraz a try. I am Product Specialist there, if you need an intro in person, happy to do it. Just reach out to me on Linkedin / twitter.
Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by jgalt212 on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @10:17PM (#36689714)
has anyone had any luck with partytown?

https://partytown.builder.io/

Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by falcor84 on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @03:14PM (#36685902)
I for one commend Google's efforts to improve the web's chances of long-term survival by eliminating themselves and hopefully tracking in general.
Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @03:42PM (#36686269)
It's hilarious how AMP pages have become a cesspool of JS dark patterns trying to bombard with you with as many ads as possible and keep you from escaping their site.
Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by vinnymac on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @02:32PM (#36699538)
Meh, with Googles resources they could do so much good. This is a drop in the bucket, compared to what they could be doing.

My company is scrambling to account for the changes here, and ultimately it will be users who suffer until we have the proper data available.

This should’ve been a standard that all major browsers have implemented and agreed to, before being rolled out generally.

Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by pcthrowaway on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @05:31PM (#36701963)
Oh come on, it's not like their mission is to "do good" or even "don't be evil" any more.. it's to benefit shareholders.

They don't care if their web tendrils are a net positive or not

Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by deafpiano on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @06:51PM (#36688299)
Easy solution, remove all that adware crap.
Re:Google's new metrics: Interaction to Next Paint (INP) by cpncrunch on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:31AM (#36690778)
Thanks for this, you just solved my problem! I got an email about this INP thing this morning, but google had zero explanation why our INP timings were so high for a page that does practically nothing. I realised that I had removed analytics from our site last year, but I'd forgotten about this particular page, so that probably explains it.