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Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by yread on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @08:14AM (#36679893)
That would be actually a nice policy: only allow buybacks using taxed profits. Unfortunately, it's not there yet
Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by robertlagrant on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @09:10AM (#36680468)
Why would that be a good idea?
Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by yread on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @10:12AM (#36681249)
Lots of corporate tax code is about taxing the money flows from the company to the physical persons. Somehow buybacks weren't taxed until recently.
Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by lotsofpulp on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @10:39AM (#36681631)
How are buybacks not taxed? The entity selling the shares has always had to pay income tax on capital gains from selling shares.
Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by robertlagrant on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:28PM (#36683346)
I think this is wrong, twice:

- buybacks are taxed when a person gets money for their shares, as capital gains tax

- lots of corporate tax is about exactly the opposite of what you say; i.e. reaching inside a company's bank account and taxing its profits directly, rather than waiting for the money to flow out and taxing it as VAT/income tax/cap gains. A huge amount of money and effort is spent on balancing this correctly, with R&D credits, structuring profits to appear in the correct year, etc etc.

Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by yread on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @05:41AM (#36692251)
Yes, but when your shares gain in value you can borrow more money on them. That is not taxed.
Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by lanstin on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @10:29AM (#36681475)
It would be a simple regulatory change that would (maybe ?) substantially mitigate the harm leveraged buy outs cause the economy and society.
Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by happymellon on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @10:36AM (#36681585)
Because buybacks in any other fashion only increase debt.

It's the shareholders cashing out, so rather than a failed business with shares of $0 value, they have money and the loans are someone else's problem.

Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by robertlagrant on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:15PM (#36683131)
> Because buybacks in any other fashion only increase debt.

What about using revenue to buy it? You don't have to use (or have) debt to buy something with revenue.

Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by happymellon on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @03:00PM (#36685720)
Because revenue is pure income without taking costs into account.

So you could still be giving away money to cash out that is owed to someone else? If your revenue is based upon fictional income then these privatised public services will become tax payer problems because they can't be shut down.

Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by robertlagrant on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @05:32PM (#36687505)
I'm not saying that it's impossible that buybacks increase debt; I'm just countering your claim that buybacks always increase debt:

> buybacks in any other fashion only increase debt.