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Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @06:37AM (#36679026)
> Those in the unions are the public

This is a nonsense delineation in systems thinking. That the railroad shareholders are also the public doesn't justify ripping them off.

Unions are beholden to the same impulses towards monopoly and rent-seeking as corporations. Swap members (i.e. sellers of labour) for shareholders (i.e. sellers of capital) and employers (i.e. buyers of labour) for customers (i.e. buyers of goods and services) and union management starts looking remarkably like its corporate analog, churning undifferentiated workers into a differentiated block of labour as truly as a mill grinds a forest into houses.

Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by arethuza on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @06:54AM (#36679177)
"That railroad shareholders are also the public"

They are the public, just not the UK public!

Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @07:03AM (#36679252)
> railroad shareholders are also the public

Lets see the shareholders:

* French government

* Chinese government

* Australian banks

Re:Why privatisation has been a costly failure in Britain by giraffe_lady on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @09:37AM (#36680785)
"If you change every detail of both things they're the same thing!"

Labor and capital aren't the same concept no matter how much you scramble them. One is powerful enough that the entire system is named after it.