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Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by NoZebra120vClip on Monday July 10, 2023 @09:30PM (#36675399)
Several years ago, I lived very close to the University and there were several Desi stores nearby. So I would shop in them and try out my Indian cookbook all the time, it was great. They had the best fragrant spices and the really good yogurt drinks.

Once I purchased a big sack of basmati rice. When I opened it at home, all the larvae came worming their way out. I mean there was a lot of bugs in this rice. And I knew this store tended to keep stuff on their shelves years beyond the expiration dates. So I took the sack of rice back to the store.

The kind proprietor told me it was a nothingburger and the bugs wouldn't hurt me. I said ugh. He said just to pick the bugs out. I said there's a lot of bugs. He insisted this is normal and no big deal. I think I finally managed to make the return. And I really didn't feel like shopping there again.

Growing up, my dad would say hilarious things, like "mmm, more protein" and lick his lips when he saw a bug on our food. Or, he would see a non-venomous spider in the house and say "he won't eat much." But I managed to develop a rather neurotic fear of pests. I adored beneficial insects when I was a child; I memorized all their Latin scentific names, and I purchased ladybugs and mantids at the nursery and I released them all into the garden. I would build ant farms, fascinated with their tunneling and behaviors. I used to catch butterflies just because they were beautiful. But show me a cockroach or a bedbug in my home, and I will go into a hissy fit. I don't feel like that's abnormal.

Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by luminen on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @01:25AM (#36676720)
I looked too closely into a bag of frozen spinach I had been using for smoothies and discovered it was about 10% small green caterpillars... I threw it out and never bought it again.

Morally, could I tell you why, like the author of this post tries to do? Absolutely not. I eat birds and mammals. I had a decade-long stint of vegetarianism and often thought about my moral responsibility as a conscious creature towards the other creatures on this Earth. But tossing the insects wasn't even a choice, and in retrospect, I don't think I could convince myself to eat them (even if the macros are good.)

I wonder how much of this aversion is learned/cultural, and if future generations will laugh at how squeamish we are today.

Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by Shaanie on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @03:05AM (#36677414)
It's probably mostly learned behavior; many westerners have the same reaction to eating things like chicken heart or fish eyes, which other cultures eat without hesitation. That being said, usually insects being in your food is probably a bad sign (e.g. maggots in rotting meat), so there could be some innate skepticism perhaps?
Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by ImAnAmateur on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @03:42AM (#36677689)
Don't forget that it was unexpected and not identified as a specific species.
Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by bigger_inside on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @03:55AM (#36677787)
which also brings back the old insight that harvesting greens kills a lot more animals than producing steak does. Though I guess with symbiotic species living inside organisms, that may become debatable? In any case, there is no food consumption without death involved.

Though ultimately, that's not even the point. The larger point is that individual consumer choice does not actually shift the food industry structure, which, again, is neatly exemplified by this entire debate that kicked off these threads: humans don't -choose- bugs. This is a system change. Though of course the change involves better mass production capability and higher rates of profit on the industry side, not "care for nature". Industry doesn't care for anything but profit.

Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by pantojax45 on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @10:32AM (#36681513)
> harvesting greens kills a lot more animals than producing steak does

How is this possible? Cows must feed and they eat plants (inefficiently too)

Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by worstestes on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:02PM (#36682940)
I find this a bit dubious, particularly that a large part of the agricultural industry is dedicated to _feed_ for livestock.
Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by NoZebra120vClip on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @05:19PM (#36687357)
There are Jains who believe so strongly in doing no harm to nature, that they go to great lengths to avoid killing insects. They wear gauze masks so as not to inhale gnats and such. They carry a broom to sweep away any crawling bugs before they can be stomped upon. They practice a fruitarian diet and thus they even try not to kill any plant in the process of harvesting food. Now that is certainly dedication! Time to eat my t-bone steak.
Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by jmopp on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @04:33AM (#36678037)
Personally I think of food taboos as a cultural thing that depends on where you grew up, but because food is such an important part of life, food taboos have a rather heavy weight. No problem in being squeamish: different cultures have different taboos.
Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by MandieD on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @04:41AM (#36678080)
Very cultural - plenty of cultures roast and eat certain insects, and Western culture's prized crustaceans (shrimp, crab, and lobster) make me ill pretty quickly after eating them - and many of them look like big insects. I was unpleasantly surprised to learn that Malaysian Muslims have no aversion to shrimp and happily include them in sauces; I'd always figured that halal food was pretty close to kosher, and there was at least one category of restaurant in Singapore I could let my guard down at.

There are two kinds of animal food aversions: disgust because the creature itself is considered disgusting, and horror because the creature is more often considered a companion animal or otherwise special. Anglo-Americans generally have a strong aversion to eating both mice and guinea pigs (horses, dogs), but for those very different reasons.

There were several cheese types in Britain that were traditionally full of maggots, and eaten that way. Modern food production techniques and refrigeration has allowed us the luxury of strong insect aversions.

In parts of Colonial America, prisoners and slaves were fed lobster, and free servants' contracts often stipulated that they wouldn't be fed it more than a certain number of times per week, because people with a choice didn't want to eat them. Cultures change! Now lobster is a luxury food everywhere in the US other than the areas they're caught in, where it's a cultural pride food.

Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by zarzavat on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @06:01AM (#36678702)
> I was unpleasantly surprised to learn that Malaysian Muslims have no aversion to shrimp and happily include them in sauces

Seafood is considered haram by the hanafis only. The Malaysians are shafi’is so they can eat shrimp.

Except that Bangladesh (hanafi) is a big exporter of shrimp, go figure.

Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by unmole on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @06:12AM (#36678817)
> Except that Bangladesh (hanafi) is a big exporter of shrimp, go figure.

And India exports beef in quantities comparable to the US and Australia.

Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by MandieD on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @07:22AM (#36679414)
Thank you for that! The only major division I was aware of among Muslims was Sunni and Shia, but I guess that's a bit like someone being startled by cultural and religious differences between Roman Catholics and Protestants - they all acknowledged the same religious authorities until about 1500 or so, have the same holy book and their worship services are pretty similar (there are more differences among Protestants than there are between some of the Protestants' and the Roman Catholics' services)
Re:I Will Not Eat the Bugs (2021) by adrian_b on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @07:14AM (#36679337)
Unlike shrimp, locusts are kosher, at least according to the bible.