Re:Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983 (1200% since 198...
by prepend on Monday July 10, 2023 @08:50PM
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Research is done by professors and students, not admins.
The overall average trend in the US is for administration costs to increase and instruction costs, relative to admin, to decrease [0]. Some universities will vary, but the trend is important to look at overall.
Re:Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983 (1200% since 198...
by rovolo on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @03:35PM
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My point is that the article you linked to is not a data point supporting your assertion that tuition cost increases are caused by more admins.
A) Yale is a research-heavy university so the admin:student ratio shouldn't be expected to be constant. B) Yale's admin:faculty ratio decreased from 2003-2021, directly contradicting your claimed trend.
For example, a teaching university like Central Washington University has 500 faculty, 500 admin, 11.4k undergrads, and 900 post-grads. They do research at CWU, but their primary focus is teaching.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Washington_University
In comparison, UTHealth Houston is a medical university and has 2.1k faculty, 5.3k admin, and 5.2k students. UTHealth requires far more staff than CWU because it has a different focus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_Health_Sci...
Finally, Stanford is a mix of the two and has 2.3k faculty, 15.3k admin!, and 17.2k students. (Stanford includes the clinic staff in their numbers. I think that clinical staff is split between Yale proper and the New Haven hospital.)
https://facts.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2021/...
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This brings me back to Yale. From the article:
> In 2003: 5,307 undergraduate students ... 3,500 administrators and managers. In 2019, before the COVID-19 pandemic’s effects on student enrollment, only 600 more students were living and studying at Yale, yet the number of administrators had risen by more than 1,500 — a nearly 45 percent hike.
So the first issue is with the student number. Yale had 12,438 students in 2019, an increase of 1278. This isn't a huge issue because the % increase is the same, but leaving out grad students is a huge oversight.
> 2003-p19(21) 11,160 students; 5,307 undergraduate, and 5,853 ... Graduate [students]
> 2019-p7(9) 5,964 undergraduate students ... 3,032 Graduate [students] ... 3,442 [professional] students
https://your.yale.edu/sites/default/files/annual-report-2018...
Secondly, the admin:faculty ratio has decreased. Yale expanded their faculty from 3.2k to 4.9k, which is +1.7k (+53%). This tells me that Yale increased their research focus and are not (necessarily) bloating their undergrad program.
> 2003-p22(24) The University employs approximately 3,200 faculty, 3,500 managerial and professional staff, and 4,000 unionized clerical, technical, service, and maintenance personnel.
> 2021-p13(15) With 4,937 faculty, 1,428 postdoctoral associates, 5,066 managerial and professional staff, and 5,205 clerical, technical, service, and maintenance personnel