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Re:Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983 (1200% since 198... by no_wizard on Monday July 10, 2023 @03:43PM (#36671894)
Two things you have to do to keep tuition costs down nowadays, by my estimation, unless you get a full ride scholarship or accepted by the an Ivy League:

- Do your first two years at community college. A lot of states have zero tuition costs for community college credits. I think in all 50 states its the absolute cheapest way to do get your first two years done

- Enterprising students may realize that if you're married, FAFSA (which is used to compute both federal and state aid) will use your married income and not your parents. Most students make little to money while in school. This automatically games the algorithm in your favor. Tricky to manage socially.

Re:Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983 (1200% since 198... by ytdytvhxgydvhh on Monday July 10, 2023 @03:54PM (#36672071)
Agreed about community college. It’s unfortunate though that, like so many things, it’s essentially a lottery on where you’re born. Some community colleges are wonderful, others not.

I’ve heard of other FAFSA games as well - last I heard the parents’ cars and primary residence were excluded from the FAFSA expected contribution calculation so middle class folks with a fat savings account might decide to buy new cars or pay off the mortgage or do something similar to make the cash “disappear”. Deferred compensation plans are used along the same lines for income. The fact that such games are viable is a shame but probably unavoidable unless we have government foot the bill for college.

Re:Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983 (1200% since 198... by WkndTriathlete on Monday July 10, 2023 @05:28PM (#36673226)
That's not the worst part. Rich families had their kids legally emancipated prior to age 16 so that the kids could legally show zero income and zero family net worth on their FAFSA applications.

The FAFSA is such a load of horseshit I don't even know where to begin with it.

Re:Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983 (1200% since 198... by OkayPhysicist on Monday July 10, 2023 @07:52PM (#36674692)
2+2 plans are really, really questionable in my observation. Most students I know ended up doing either 2+3 or 3+3, which since as you pointed out CC are so, so, so much cheaper than university did save them money none the less. However, if you're going into a field that has any kind of improved earning potential from a degree, you have to look at the opportunity cost, taking into account the fact that if they had just gone straight to a 4 year they would have had an extra 1-2 years of making substantially higher wages than they could before they graduated.

If you have a kid who doesn't really know if they want to, say, be an engineer, then a 2+2 plan that they realize they aren't cut out for during the cheap years probably is a huge price save. But for the kid with the tools to succeed in school, a passion for a field that pays well, and the opportunity to get into a 4 year, they should absolutely just go for it off the bat.

The other problem with the 2+2 is that you're sacrificing 2 years of one of the biggest advantages of going to competitive universities: meeting other students who could get into competitive universities. I met most of my friends I made in college in the first 2 weeks, freshman year. It's probably the single easiest time in anyone's life to make new friends and acquaintances. And those friends, beyond being invaluable to me for social and romantic reasons, also have benefited me financially: one friend's dad got me an internship, which I was able to leverage into my first job. I got my second job by no small part thanks to the recommendation of another friend who already worked there. Looking back in time, the ROI on the bottle of vodka I brought to the dorm nextdoor move-in weekend is likely in the ~10,000,000% range.

Transfer students get a greatly diminished version of that opportunity. By their upper-division levels, most students are spending a lot more time on school work, and much less time randomly meeting their dorm-hall mates. It's still possible to meet people, and my high-school friends who did the transfer route did meet some people, but there's a much greater than 50% loss in networking opportunity.