People tend to say things because they sound cool, not because they mean them. (Do I mean this? I'm not sure!)

ditto that. this is probably the wrong crowd to be recruiting php coders from.

Perhaps we can stop the language flaming. I build my stuff in a combination of PHP, C++ and javascript on a LAMP stack. Feel no need to justify it to people who aren't making architectural decisions.

i don't see any flaming here, just a misdirected appeal. i'm not arguing people's use of php, i'm just saying there aren't many of that type of people in this particular crowd.

Nah, there are a reasonably good number of people here who know PHP.